“If SCO has its way, the Linux community will suffer a setback, but longer term will prevail. A good way to avoid the SCO scenario is for the open source community to take more responsibility for ensuring that its code doesn’t violate established patents and copyrights. In an interview with News.com, Linux founder Linus Torvalds said it’s not the responsibility of engineers to look up patent information. He’s right, but someone other than the engineering crew supporting the open source community will need to provide some oversight. It’s part of the maturing of Linux and open source: We have our copyright and patent lawyers, they have theirs.” Read Farber’s editorial at ZDNet.
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Since psychiatric support is beyond your income, plus the fact that Linux is toast, I suggest you start GPL’ing those games you program for us. That’s what we really need, remember? I want to download a cd for free of some cool new games. We are sooooo starved in the game “community” for some free games, if you have a ‘simple’ guide for MAME for consoles please pass it on, because no one seems to have one, but I’m sure I can count on you, the #1 cracker I know.
I just figured out another little insight. If IBM execs did DELIBERATELY and KNOWINGLY put the SCO code in Linux than we have more than just Darl Mc. Bride’s 3 billion dollar civil case here. DELIBERATE copyright infringement is also the FELONY crime of SOFTWARE PIRACY. Therefore I am thinking of moving my “regime change” ideas away from Microsoft and toward IBM using the prosicution of this software piracy as its basis.
With MS my problems are really only with Bill Gates and what I consider to be less than loyal to America activities on his part. However Gates appears to have gone back to software development as “Chief Software Archetect” and Mr. Ballmer pretty much appers to be running the show in Redmond now and I can’t find anything in any of my Conspiracy archives that implicates Ballmer in any way.
However IBM has been one really NASTY den of pseudo “capitalists” (read Fascists) and TRAITORS from its verry begining including a little PROOVABLE episode of selling pre computer punch card tabulation machines to a little German/Polish “winter resort” called Aushwitz for the processing of especially its Jewish “customers” while we were fighting the regime that put this little “winter resort” in place in World War II!!!
As you remember on one of my previous posts mr Top Speed I said that Proprietary Operating Systems need competition to be safe from fascist/illuminati re centralization schemes.
Well with an IBM “regime change” brought about by adding a criminal software piracy case to the current SCO V IBM civil case we can get two birds with one stone. One, eliminate one really nasty nest of traitors and 2. Bring about an OS/2 revival with GOOD AGRESSIVE TRUELY CAPITALISTIC MARKETING behind it this time to provide good proprietary closed source comptetition to Microsoft.
You can talk about psychology all you want but I actually find your knowlege of HERPETOLOGY to be extreamly appalling Mr. Steele. Otherwise you would not be fooling around with ME. There is the FULL SCIENTIFIC CLASSIFICATION of my screen name critter for your enlightenment.
Snake ———> Eastern Coral Snake
Family ——–> Elapidae
Genus ———> Micrurus
Species ——-> fulvius
Status ——–> Venomous, Extreamly Neurotoxic.
Got the message yet. If not here it is one more time in those simple ALL AMERICAN WORDS that even an idiot should be able to understand.
DON’T TREAD ON ME!!!!
and while we’re at it. Quit promoting unauthorized download sites. The ONLY legitimate SCO download site is http://www.sco.com.
Coral Snake: I agree.
Your assesment of “DELIBERATE copyright infringement” might be even more correct than you know.
Because “deliberate” as you say, or “premeditated” as we so often hear in the press, is much greater grounds for proof of guilt. Plus it carries even greater ‘pentalties’ as part of any remedy.
When you go on to say:
IBM has been one really NASTY den of seudo “capitalists” (read Fascists) and TRAITORS from its verry begining
I might not agree with “from its very begining”, but will certainly acknowledge their name is International Business Machines.
with an IBM “regime change” brought about by adding a criminal software piracy case to the current SCO V IBM civil case we can get two birds with one stone. One, eliminate one really nasty nest of traitors and 2. Bring about an OS/2 revival with GOOD AGRESSIVE TRUELY CAPITALISTIC MARKETING behind it this time to provide good proprietary closed source comptetition to Microsoft.
Wow. This man Coral Snake REALLY knows what he is talking about! And despite lunatic Archie Steel’s claims I have no idea who he even is!
IBM: the greatest H/W company in the world
Microsoft: the greatest S/W company in the world
IBM has tried software (how many times now?) and lost every time.
Microsoft doesn’t make ANY money off H/W (xBox? Are you kidding me?)
Bottom line is these companies will be at odds forever. This time, looks like M$ wins again. Does it matter to us? No, not unless we all decide to switch to Apple.
Since this thread appears to be comming to an end I think it is time to explain why I am concerned about the possibility of stolen code in Linux. I am of the Christian Religion (However I am an evolutionist in scientific matters and well know the difference between the Bible and a science book. In fact along with Bibles I HAVE several science books in my library, especially in the areas of C, C++, Pascal and PowerBASIC programming and my favorite non computer sciences Herpetology(Reptile and Amphibian study) and Paleontology(fossil study) Therefore don’t even THINK of calling me one of those Creation “Science” fundies :-).) With my religion however does come a strong belief in God’s 10 commandments including Thou shalt NOT steal.
I certainly like and use Linux and also like the comical figure of Tux the Penguin but as a Christian I do NOT worship them. I ONLY bow the knee to JESUS, HIS FATHER and HIS SPIRIT, NOT Linus Torvalds and Tux the Penguin. In fact between penguins in Finland and owls in Commiefornia I think there is just a little too much misplaced BIRD WORSHIP
going on in this whole mess.
As to the stolen code if it is not there and Top Speed and I are wrong then fine I will continue using Linux as I always have. However if it IS there than Thou shalt NOT steal applies here and we either should give Darl McBride his restitution. (I know he would like to refer to it as licensing because that is the business way of saying things but the Biblical way is restitution.) cease and desist in linux use or at least go back to an unpolluted kernel like
2.0 or 2.2 and start over in rebuilding the os clean of stolen goods given us by the ungodly occultic and in some cases even war criminal traitor execs at IBM.
And another little message for Top Speed. I do think that 0S/2 would have competed well with the crash prone early Win9x systems if IBM Execs had been into AGGRESSIVE CAPITALIST AMERICAN MARKETING rather than occultism, one worldism and treason ;-).
“The ONLY legitimate SCO download site is http://www.sco.com.”
Prove it.
“Since psychiatric support is beyond your income[…]We are sooooo starved in the game “community” for some free games”
Once again, implying that I’m cheap or poor (when in fact I make enough money to build up some nice savings) and then asking for free games.
Anyway, try FrozenBubble. You’ll need Linux, though – it doesn’t run on windows.
“but I’m sure I can count on you, the #1 cracker I know.”
Sorry, man, but you’re the one spoofing IP addresses and assuming false identities. I have no idea how to crack anything. I assume you’re basing this new lie on the ftp adress I’ve give out. If you stopped sidestepping the truth and making a fool out of yourself, you’d have realized long ago that the adress is of a public ftp site.
Oh, and another reason why I believe that you and Coral Snake are one (or at least two peas in a pod): now he’s the one trying his hand at intimidation – in relation to his nickname this time (how more pathetic can you get, really).
Lies, misrepresentations, insults. Man you are sad.
I certainly like and use Linux and also like the comical figure of Tux the Penguin but as a Christian I do NOT worship them. I ONLY bow the knee to JESUS, HIS FATHER and HIS SPIRIT, NOT Linus Torvalds and Tux the Penguin.
Amen Brother! Have a great American day!
…you’ll be happy to know that SCO has explictly admitted that it did not own copyright on the code allegedly found in Linux.
http://mozillaquest.com/Linux03/ScoSource-24-Copyrights_Story01.htm…
Here’s a telling excerpt:
MozillaQuest Magazine: Does SCO have registered copyrights for JFS, NUMA, and RCU?
Blake Stowell: No we don’t, but this is not a copyright case. This is a contracts case. We have taken IBM to court because they are in breach of contract.
MozillaQuest Magazine: If so, is that the same JFS, NUMA, and RCU code that is in the Linux kernel?
Blake Stowell: I can’t give you the exact location, but yes, it is in Linux.
MozillaQuest Magazine: Does SCO have registered copyrights for the Unix extensions developed by IBM?
Blake Stowell: No, IBM has those copyrights, but this is not about copyrights. It is about the breaking of a contract.
Also, SCO’s FUD has not had any credible impact so far:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/25/1059084186065.html
Sorry guys, but this lawsuit is going nowhere. Linux will prevail (and please keep religion out of this…)
Archie tries to hyperlink somewhere (still hasnt been able to come up with even one credible in print source though), but the conclusion presented by the author blows Archie’s argument completely to bits!
To-wit:
“To establish breach of contract under the Unix licensing and other contracts SCO has with IBM, SCO merely has to show that IBM disclosed parts of its Unix/AIX code to the GNU/Linux community or merely disclosed Unix/AIX methods, concepts, or trade secrets to the GNU/Linux community — and that such conduct is not allowed under the Unix licensing agreements and contracts….That’s because the Unix license prohibits IBM from disclosing Unix Software Product code, methods, secrets, and so forth to third parties. Simply put, if SCO-Caldera can prove that IBM-developed AIX code, JFS, NUMA software, RCU, and so forth are derivate works and therefore part of the Unix Software Product and that IBM disclosed the code, methods, secrets and for them to the Linux developers, then SCO wins its IBM lawsuit.”
Give it up boy, you’re way out of your league on this. Like I keep saying, stick to something you MAY know something about: Games for little children.
The article clearly states that this is not a Copyrights (i.e. IP) issue. It does not contradict what I have said at all: SCO may or may not have a case against IBM, but it does not have one against Linux. So IBM may be required to give money to SCO if the courts rule in SCO’s favor, but that won’t have an impact on Linux at all, since the alleged code isn’t SCO’s to begin with. I’m not expecting you to understand this, though, as you’ve proven that you know very little about legal matters.
And, again, this changes nothing to the fact that SCO is continuing to distribute Linux under the GPL.
Finally, you may not consider the Sydney Morning Herald a credible news source (being xenophobic and all), but it certainly has more credibility than you, troll.
I think YOU should stick to something you may know something about…which is, uh…oh, that’s a tough one. You must know something about something, right? Well, it’s not Law, it’s not the Internet, it’s not Games, it’s not Psychology.
Oh, I know: you know about working out. So why don’t you admit once and for all what everybody else on this thread (by now, that’s me only) already knows: you have been proved wrong time and time again, have tried to switch subjects every time, and have no credibility left whatsoever. Moreover, you’ve been bested by a foreigner, and one who’s native tongue isn’t even english!
I can understand your anger – that’s quite the humiliation you’ve put yourself true. Oh well, sucks to be you.
You may not have noticed, but while you’re losing your time arguing here with me, you’re not trolling the other threads! This is my service to the Linux community: tie you up in a seemingly endless discussion (and by that I mean both of your personalities, TopSpeed and Coral Snake), shooting down your arguments with ease, while other posters on the site can have more civilized discussions. So I win on all fronts.
Ah, if only Darius was as gullible as you…
I simply quoted the last paragraph of your very own article, and your response is that *I* don’t know how to read?
ROFLMAO AGAIN
Here it is, i’ll emphasize it differently this time, maybe you will get (but probably not):
“That’s because the Unix license prohibits IBM from disclosing Unix Software Product code, methods, secrets, and so forth to third parties. Simply put, if SCO-Caldera can prove that IBM-developed AIX code, JFS, NUMA software, RCU, and so forth are derivate works and therefore part of the Unix Software Product and that IBM disclosed the code, methods, secrets and for them to the Linux developers, then SCO wins its IBM lawsuit.”
Read it and weep, Mr. Game Programmer still trolling OSNEWS.
Reread the article. As I have said, this may mean that IBM will have to compensate SCO – however, it does not mean that the code, which STILL BELONGS TO IBM (as a SCO representative himself admits in the article) would have to be removed from Linux. You’re extrapolating, troll.
In any case, as you’ve refuse to acknowledge despite overwhelming proof, SCO is still distributing Linux under the GPL on their public site.
You can live your entire life in denial, but it won’t change the truth.
So, how much did it cost you to get your Electrical Engineering degree through mail order? ’cause you clearly don’t have the intellectual capacity to actually earn it. Case in point: you still insist on calling me a game programmer when I don’t program at all (well, I know some APL and Pascal, but these are pretty useless these days…)
Oh, and by the way, you won’t have the last word on this. Just because I enjoy watching you squirm away from the truth (i.e. SCO distributing Linux under the GPL, admitting they don’t own copyrights on the code in Linux, etc.) and whenever I ask you direct questions (like, how did you spoof your IP to check out SCO’s ftp site).
I’m ready to take this thread to a higher comment count than any other on OSNews…
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall…
There’s you an article.
In print, in a respected trade journal.
“In the beginning was AT&T Bell Labs, staffed by a benevolent team of PhDs and research scientists. AT&T produced this really neat operating system—System V—which computer manufacturers wanted to license and use. Everybody was happy to sign tough contracts with these benevolent scientists—licenses which deeded all derivative works back to AT&T, licenses that covered all “methods” and “concepts” of operating systems. But now those licenses are owned by SCO and its team of lawyers who are certain that AIX and all the other derivative IXs belong to SCO. And the company now wants royalties from users of all these operating systems—especially Linux.”
Since you don’t understand English, I’ll try to put in on a level you might understand: the ATT contract covered even “methods and concepts” even if they didn’t have duplicate code, which they do.
“But SCO has been even more thorough. After sifting through e-mails from the Linux developers’ mailing list, Sontag says SCO has examples of programmers from AT&T licensees offering to write UNIX code into Linux, and can identify where those UNIX fragments turned up in the codebase.”
What this means (since you obviously are incapable of reading the English language and many any correct deductions yourself) is: there are many OTHER instances of ATT code in Linux IN ADDITION TO any put there by IBM. This is how they will get you thieving end users even if IBM skates on this particular trial completely.
It was all a setup. And your incredible level of denial is going to make your own personal crash back to reality especially painful. Perhaps suicidal, considering your obvious mental health issues.
…but I don’t think they’ll get it. In essence, that depends on whether IBM ported the NUMA, JFS and SMP code from their own implementation (i.e. for Mainframes) both to UNIX and to Linux (therefore it is not derivative). This will be for the court to decide. In any case, this is all a moot point for Linux, since SCO has released all of their alleged code (a lot of System V code actually comes from BSD, too) under the GPL since the lawsuit was started. So they might still be able to win their suit about IBM, but they won’t be able to prevent Linux users from using it under the terms of the GPL.
Note that, from the article you’ve quoted, the author did not think that SCO had much chance at success. Here’s what he said a bit further down.
“I believe that SCO will have even more trouble enforcing its AT&T contracts internationally than in the U.S. For a start, the contracts are all written under U.S. federal and state law. I cannot predict their applicability to international developers (or integrators), but, based on my experience defending my own company’s IP on an international stage, I do not like SCO’s chances of success.
It is also undeniable that the business climate in the U.S. lets someone take a far more aggressive attitude towards a competitor’s customers than does the climate in Europe. SCO should have anticipated this, but Sontag seemed to be quizzical about what these European lawsuits are demanding, and how SCO should react to them. I got the impression that SCO’s management was thinking entirely in terms of U.S. law, and have not thought through the international implications of their actions.”
Proved wrong again, this time by your own hand. And all the lies, misrepresentations and personal attacks you can throw at me won’t change this fact.
“I believe that SCO will have even more trouble enforcing its AT&T contracts internationally than in the U.S.”
That is a given! Since you continue to ignore the Communists in China who run “Red Flag Linux” are already violating the GPL by not releasing their source. So of course nothing is going to change there, duuuuuuh.
I would however suggest you return to your home country (China?) once Linux becomes illegal to use here in America without corresponding royalty payment. Will your H-1B be up about then?
So, you really are a typical redneck: xenophobic, bigoted, arrogant, anti-communist and a bit slow in the head.
Okay, I promise you that whenever Linux becomes illegal to use, I will leave America. However, you should consider these two things:
a) Linux will not become illegal (even if SCO wins, which is doubtful, it can’t touch Linux)
b) I’m not in America to begin with
“…without corresponding royalty payment…”
Once again: SCO HAS DISTRIBUTED LINUX UNDER THE GPL.
So there’s no possibility for royalty payments. In fact, if you knew anything about the case at all, you would know that despite McBride’s theatrics, this is still a contractual dispute and NOT an IP infrigement suit.
IBM Canada Limited IBM4UU1 NET: 209.47.215.1 – 209.47.215.255
ARCHIE STEEL IS A PAID IBM SHILL!
“ARCHIE SHILL”
Wait till Coral Snake gets a load of this!
Working for IBM, I’d probably earn more than I do here. But then again, I like designing games, and as far as I know IBM doesn’t make any games.
So, my office’s IP address is on the IBM backbone, it seems. I didn’t know about this, but I guess it makes sense since our building is not far from theirs (downtown Montreal).
Sorry to burst your bubble, TopSpeed: I’m not an IBM employee. If I was, I don’t think I’d be allowed to talk about the case anyway, and I wouldn’t want to risk losing my job. But somehow I don’t think you’re going to believe me – not that I care, really. Even if it was true (which it isn’t) it still wouldn’t change the basic fact which you keep denying: SCO is still distributing Linux under the GPL on their public FTP site.
“Wait till Coral Snake gets a load of this!”
Since you are both the same person, I think he’s heard about it already.
So, my office’s IP address is on the IBM backbone, it seems. I didn’t know about this, but I guess it makes sense since our building is not far from theirs..
Your continual lies are beyond what I can hardly imagine, but you seem to be stuck in an infinite cycle.
Top Speed is OUT.
Have a good weekend everybody!
But this is our Internet Provider, UUNET.
OrgName: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
OrgID: UU
Address: 22001 Loudoun County Parkway
City: Ashburn
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20147
Country: US
NetRange: 209.47.0.0 – 209.47.255.255
CIDR: 209.47.0.0/16
NetName: UUNETCA4-A
NetHandle: NET-209-47-0-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.UUNET.CA
NameServer: NS2.UUNET.CA
NameServer: AUTH01.NS.UU.NET
Comment:
RegDate:
Updated: 2002-05-21
Here is what a whois on ibm.ca spews out:
Status: EXIST
Registrar: Arvic Search Services Inc.
Registrar-no: 95
Registrant-no: 5626
Domaine-no: 5626
Subdomain: ibm.ca
Renewal-Date: 2011/05/22
Date-Approved: 2000/09/29
Date-Modified: 2003/05/27
Organization: IBM Canada
Description: IBM designs, manufactures, markets and distributes
a wide array of electonic computer hardware and
software for a broad spectrum of needs of both a
general and special purpose nature.
Admin-Name: Nicholas Trio
Admin-Title: IBM Chief Internet Architect
Admin-Postal: IBM
IBM
New Orchard Road East
Armonk, NY 10504 United States of America
Admin-Phone: +1 914-945-1850
Admin-Fax:
Admin-Mailbox: [email protected]
Tech-Name: Nicholas Trio
Tech-Title: IBM Chief Internet ARchitect
Tech-Postal: IBM
IBM
New Orchard Road East
Armonk, NY 10504 United States of America
Tech-Phone: +1 914-945-1850
Tech-Fax:
Tech-Mailbox: [email protected]
NS1-Hostname: ns.torolab.ibm.com
NS1-Netaddress: 199.246.40.1
NS2-Hostname: cas.ibm.com
NS2-Netaddress: 199.246.40.61
NS3-Hostname: ns1.ca.ibm.com
NS3-Netaddress: 216.208.176.2
NS4-Hostname: ns.watson.ibm.com
NS4-Netaddress: 198.81.209.2
NS5-Hostname:
NS5-Netaddress:
NS6-Hostname:
NS6-Netaddress:
Outdated info, I guess.
Once again, TopSnake is proven wrong…
…I know what I am, and that’s not an IBM employee – for better or for worse.
While I brought up the subject of covenant(10 commandment)
breaking my last post on this thread is going to adress the Appalling sense of “humor” I have seen in the Linux Community as of late from people as high up in the feeding chain as Linus Torvalds himself regarding the hiring of “hit men” against software patent holders and SCO execs.
Not only is this childish it is also SINFUL. You people may think that this is just a joke BUT IT IS NOT!! When Jesus told us in the Bible that even to look upon a woman with lust was committing adultery with her he was essentially using a sexual reference (since that is what us humans seem to understand best) to show that THE THOUGHT ALONE IS THE ACTUAL DEED EVEN IF THE DEED IS NOT ACTUALLY COMMITTED IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD!!!
You may not have actually hired your “Hit men” but in your hearts you did violate the commandment THOU SHATL NOT KILL with this kind of “humor”!!!!
Therefore unless you think that sharing a verry dark verry HOT “prison cell” with IBM founder T.J. Watson, his business partner Adolph Hitler and their newest cell mates Uday and Qusay Hussein is also “funny” and “humouros” I have one more suggestion REPENT!!!!.
In the meantime go ahead and post your little go to jail link to unauthorized downloads here until this thread goes under the radar entirely. YOU WILL ONLY BE DOING IT TO YOURSELF TROLL. I’M OUT OF HERE TOO!!!!
Unlike Top Speed I may stick around to see you embarrass yourself some more before the thread dies but NO MORE POSTS from me on this thread.
…what a fruitcake!
I’m still convinced that you’re both the same person, BTW.
I’m still waiting for you to prove to me that what is clearly a public ftp site is somewhat restricted.
(I’ll probably wait a long time, though, since as you don’t seem all that interested in rational debate.)
Say hi to Jesus from me – we go back a long way.