The SCO Group reported lackluster second-quarter results on Thursday, with revenue falling across its three divisions and its loss from operations widening and McBride blames IBM, Novell to SCO’s fiscal woes. In the meantime, the Sun Vs SCO soap opera has started (here too).
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Darl blames IBM for not handing over the code to AIX, and complains that SCO doesn’t have time to go through what IBM as sent them. Yet last year Darl said he had proof of millions of lines of code.
Want one even better IBM told the judge they would hand over whatever the Judge asked them to, The Judge hasn’t asked for everything yet. But it’s IBM’s fault for obeying the Judge. SCO has yet to show to IBM any infringing code even though they have been ordered to Twice.
Blaming Novell on SCOsource probelms is also funny, as SCO instead of suing Novell over the copyrights and who has them, sued them for Slander of title.
SCO has spun so many lies, that they can’t keep their stories straight anymore. In one case they will argue one side of a topic, in another case they will argue the exact opposite, with both cases in front of the same judge.
Does SUN want some of the free PR as well? They need it badly these days.
What were they expecting? People to flock to SCO? I sure I wouldn’t buy anything off them and I’m sure a lot of other people feel the same.
I’m sure that at the end of the day the only people who will win out of this are lawyers.
and their cash reserves have taken a serious hit too. Lawyers are expensive, plus they had to buy-back a good part of the Baystar investment…
Shouldn’t be long now…
Good riddance.
SCO is fading; gone is its 15 minutes infamy.
Starting a fud campagin, becoming one of the most hated companies of IT in no time, spreading false accusations, suing customers left and right, and of course IBM is to blame that nobody wants to make business with Sco anymore, sure, we all believe you.
They have sued and threatend their biggest customers. I wouldnt stay with someone who keeps threatening me
Mr. Schwartz has responded to me that he does ‘not speak without the facts’ and he ‘assures it’.
On this news, SCO’s stock has dropped 10.11% just today.
They were $20 in Oct of 03, Oct of 04 they will probably be $2.
$4 dollars and 89 cents currently.
i’d say sux. one could always invest and hope sco would pull off some stunt to inflat their stock price, then donate the proceeds to open source organizations.. he he.. far too risky for me though. you know, SCO could lay off employees to stay in line with revenue, oh wait 90% of that company works for SCOsource don’t they?
Who are the likely candidates?
1. Microsoft
2. Sun
3. Canopy
4. a Canopy child company
5. Novell
6. IBM
7. FOSS
8. BayStar
9. RoyalBank
10. Mr. Gates’ personal investment
I was over at Groklaw getting a couple of laughs at the latest legal news for SCOG. Then I got a visual of Tux roasting a little fish, with the letters SCO on its side, over an open pit fire. There was also a larger fish in the background with the letters M$ hanging off a hook and a terrified look in its eye.
I wish I were graphically creative enough to draw this.
—
troy banther – avid linux user
http://banther-trx.homeunix.com
Here it is…
http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/1/43141.html
According to the SCO Group Second Quarter 2004 Webcast, SCO was allegedly listed without their concent in the Berlin, Studgart and Frankfurt Exchanges. The deal is that these are supposed to be unregulated stock exchanges. And according to SCO, they are working to get themselves out of them. What a mess….
So does he speak with the facts?…
The judge in the SCO vs Novell case has declined SCOs request to move the lawsuit back to state court, where it could be tried as a contract issue, and instead it will now stay in federal court where it will be determined if SCO even owns the Unix copyrights at all. But on the bright side, for SCO, it barely escaped Novell’s motion to dismiss:
Judge Kimball says he can’t grant Novell’s motion to dismiss at this stage, but he clearly has a leaning, and it isn’t in SCO’s direction. It’s just that on a motion to dismiss, the judge is required to construe all facts in the light most favorable to the moving party, and that would be SCO, and as a matter of law, he can’t grant a motion to dismiss, because while “Novell lhas raised persuasive arguments as to whether a sufficient writing exists” without more evidence, he can’t rule on the sufficiency of the agreement yet.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040610183918915
i don’t know if i was even supposed to say anything, but he said he spoke with the facts. So it seems sun believes they can open source solaris, regardless of what SCO says. That’s all I know.. you can treat it as ‘rumour’ I guess.
Hmmm. I have a problem with story here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/09/sco_nogpl_solaris/
“Sun and Microsoft are the two companies that benefit most from SCO’s attack against Linux, since they have the healthiest non-Linux operating system franchises. With that in mind, Sun doesn’t [in]tend to attack SCO in public like another large Unix vendor based in Armonk.”
IIRC>>> IBM is the Attackee is this case? And other than some quotes around the web mainly from PJ & the Groklaw’ers, I have never seen IBM issue a public statement “Attacking” SCOX nor have heard any statement form any IBM execs’ pertaining to the SCOX/Linux/GPL/IBM litigation fiasco.
Am I missing something here?
Who would want to wast their money?
UNIX is fading away.
It will be replaced by LINUX.
If by some fluke SCO wins, it will be FreeBSD.
The only possible use by any of the companies listed would be for Microsoft to use the UNIX kernel so their OS would be more stable.
Don’t get me wrong, I love UNIX.
It’s just that LINIX is a better UNIX than UNIX.
Better kernel, friendlier command line & GUI.
And what ever happened to Plan 9?
<sarcasm>
That’s just terrible, it couldn’t have happened to a better company.
</sarcasm>
unix is a specification that linux was created to follow, yet linux has never fully met the requirements of unix–although its much similiar and many say that linux, bsds, etc. are all the same. however predictions do not always come true remember.
Linux is better than UNIX? hahhahha!! Solaris scales and outperforms linux GREATLY on 64-bit systems. The command line is nearly the same man, the GUI is the same too. Ever used Solaris + GNOME or Solaris + KDE? Furthermore, UNIX scales on more processors than Linux would ever scale on (in a productive scalable environment) it’s proven. OSDL will probably allow linux to run on alot more CPUs though.. theres no way it can outscale unix right now though.
plan9? who would use plan9 when linux is in the news everyday–its hardly marketed and dosent have thousand of people advocating it constantly
“Linux is better than UNIX? hahhahha!! Solaris scales and outperforms linux GREATLY on 64-bit systems. The command line is nearly the same man, the GUI is the same too. Ever used Solaris + GNOME or Solaris + KDE? Furthermore, UNIX scales on more processors than Linux would ever scale on (in a productive scalable environment) it’s proven.”
I will agree on the 64-bit systems. Linux is new to that arena. The fact is though that only the largest companies run 64-bit. As for scalability, the majority of companies use at the most 4 processors on a server. As for the command line, Solaris commands do not have as many options as the GNU ones have for the same command. That goes for something as simple as df and du. As for the gui’s, gnome and kde are the same in both environments, so we agree there definitely.
“Solaris commands do not have as many options as the GNU ones ”
Remember, altough the GNU, the BSD, and commercial ones differ. You can so very easily install the GNU commands.
Absolutely nothing. I’m asking $10,000 US, and if you don’t buy I’m going to sue someone.
I often read this kind of comments when people compare Linux to UNIX. I guess that what you say is most probably at least partially true, however I would be interested if you could give a bit more explanation about this :
You say : “Solaris scales and outperforms linux GREATLY on 64-bit systems.”
How do you explain that 2 of the top ten supercomputers (#2, #5 and #6 : http://www.top500.org/list/2003/11/) are clusters of PC with 64 bits CPU (Opteron and Itanium) running Linux? It shouldn’t be that bad, I would say…
You say : “Furthermore, UNIX scales on more processors than Linux would ever scale on (in a productive scalable environment) it’s proven.”
SGI has announced that they will sell a box (which NASA plan to buy) with 512 CPU running Linux SMP :
http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/2004/march/large_scale.h…
I don’t know if it performs less good than Solaris or not, but I imagine that if they sell it (and people buys it), it can’t be that bad…
R.
Tom
– I’m not comparing to ther UNIX OS’s like AIX or UnixWare which runs on x86… I’m comparing it to Solaris which is develoepd by sun (obviously lol)
Solaris runs on Opteron and SPARC hardware, Solaris for x86-64 is not available yet that i know of, but what I’ve seen & heard sun demonstrate–oustanding Linux performs not very well on SPARC compared to Solaris (mainly because it wasnt made to for the SPARC to begin with) About x86, Solaris was ‘downgraded’ and alot of features were disabled and caused it to lag in performance regarding it on the x86 platform–which brings Solaris down all together.. so i would not compare 32-bit solaris systems to linux because linux will most likely defeat it.
– COMMERCIAL UNIX did and Linux probably does now too. Alot of people bash freebsd for not being able to scale on like more than 4 CPUs but in all the single cpu benchmarks and tests freebsd beats linux down hard. UNIX had the “hundreds CPU” support before the open source versions of unix.. One good question regarding SGI is why would you buy a linux system with Itanium when linux got the support to run on hundreds of cpus so soon while others had it for a longer peroid of time. Linux is viral–The progress it has made against unix is oustanding–completely.. and depending on the platform it may be the right choice, but when you buy systems you have to keep all the factors in mind. Since Solaris is being ported to AMD64 and will release an open soruce flavor..so schwartz says.. one will have to carefully consider their OS options now for highly scalable systems, as Linux/HP-UX/OpenVMS/Windows/BSDs will dominate the IA-64 platform and well whats the obvious choice out of those when running a hundred CPUs? Linux! What about just 1? Probably a BSD system to me. About the AMD64 Market.. You have Solaris/Linux/BSDs/Windows.. whats the obviouis choice to me? Solaris. Because it outperforms linux on it currently and is extremely stable and highly supported.
Now, Linux was created in hte early 90s (I could be wrong!). UNIX was developed probably earlier the 70s, or 70s (can’t remember)… So keep in mind that the global effort to improve linux and the viral affect the gpl is giving off has really paid off ot linux and this is probably what sun is thinking could benifit solaris.. the global OS community + Sun engineers = a great fast growing scalable OS. It’s very possible that linux could surpass solaris on SPARC on x86-64. But I personally doubt it since they will open source solaris.
So, when choosing to purchase a system + OS you will have to see 1) What OS performs on this system better than any other for my task, and will this OS be around to preserve my investment.
This is my opinion. I don’t recommend making your OS change a political thing…. Although I’m biased against the GPL because I’m a software programmer + sales and I’ve lost sales due to the GPL.. I tend to lean toward non-GPL software.. I have to watch it!
Great Job Sun.
The battle’s getting really boring, stressing sco and ibm. And mr.bill takes advantage…
Have a nice quarter, Darl!
See you at the “get-UNIX-for-pennies-on-the-dollar fire sale” sometime next year!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Is that all you got, huh? Are you nuts? Come at me!
let this be a warning to any other company who wants to act as an MS puppet.
i’m sure mcbride ain’t going to be skint but the sad thing is that he is obviously prepared to sacrifice SCO for a deal with MS – i predict mcbride will have a high profile job at MS before the end of the year,
kev bailey
Well making money off selling software that should be free anyway isn’t a good way to live. Basic software stuff that everybody needs should be cost $0. Web browsers, kernel, and everday utilities shouldn’t cost people money. Special database software, accounting software, and specialty software will always have a price though.
As for Linux is being used to replace and consolidate the remains of the Unix wars. The War in which each propriety company made their own separate incompatible version. Linux Distro’s are a lot closer together, and are binary compatible, though library locations may differ. But a simple recompile is all that is needed to port the software. That is the advantage. Not because it has all teh features of the old Unices, but because it is basically the same across all numbers of CPU’s.
Uhh.. Sounds like a political response. NO OFFENSE!! My response will probably be. Databases and other specialty software will eventually move toward open source… The response that many will give is “all software should be free” well that’s a political opinion as everything from food to clothing woudl be nice to be free to. I’m writing from a prespective of a software programmer +seller. I guess i know how to program to contribute to the GPL alone.(politcal response-no offense)
You sure? Looks like Solaris is still there. Since solaris will be open sourced It looks like UNIX will actually be open source thus making an open source war with unix would be pointless. Who cares bout Linux distros vs. the UNIX ones, the other unix ones are dieing. Solaris, BSD, Linux will be the only ones left. The features can be the same for Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc. you can easily install the commands and what not. So far.. most of the BSDs, Solaris 10 are all compatible with linux. .. So it seems to me that the advantage of just having to compile linux applications across linux distros is no longer a feature just of linux, but of unix too.
The fact that sun and now the community will be pushing Solaris UNIX to replace older noneuseful unix versions ass well as the bsds and linux are already doing it show that unix isn’t dead after all. Depending on the licensing, Linux could get the best parts of Solaris. Linux has really strong marketing power though, which will may make the slow road at first.. But I bleieve the technical advancedness of solaris will help it prevail and grow.
Very interesting if you think about it.
“Well making money off selling software that should be free anyway isn’t a good way to live”
Want to hire me? I’m a great sys admin and we do programming for $! As long as you pay us I’ll be happy. Sigh, I simply don’t want to get a degree in something useful i guess.
😀
system Admins will also always be around. Open Source Database though growing are years behind oracle.
If you are a cabable System Admin, with working knowledge of multiple systems then you should never have to fear for work. As for me my company uses one Novell Netware 3.12 server, we really don’t need an admin. The Box runs 24-7 without a UPS. I am just waiting for the hardware to fail. The problem with selling software is for three people in the store there are 6 terminals, with each needing licenses. The reason we don’t upgrade is because it will cost us tens of thousands of dollars for something that has basically run non-stop for the past ten years. We have data from 1989 in the machines that we can’t lose.
To upgrade we need someone to write a complete point of sale, inventory managment, Purchase ordering General ledger Charge account tracking software , import our old data. We can’t afford to write a check for someone to do all of that.
I can only setup the basic systems. As I said, the basics should be free, the specialty software should cost.
Solaris on x86 is painful, that is supposedly why Sun bought several million dollars worth of outdated drivers from SCO. Solaris in General is a great server software, that may be ahead of Linux but Sun won’t be able to Open Source any of it, in Fact it will probally be more Shared Source from MS.
If Sun did GPl Solaris, then the good features would be ported to Linux enhancing Linux, but don’t expect it to go the other way. Wrong maybe but Solaris is in worse shape than either AIX and True64. Simply because Sun’s managment can’t make up it’s mind on which way is the better way to go.
I would rather see Sun go Apple’s route. Make Better hardware and port Linux to Sparc with enhancements from Solaris. Sparc by itself is better x86, and Sun should stick with what is a better way to work. If Sun concentrated on hardware, making the standard in hot swap servers(which if I remember it already is near the top if not there), Swap cpu’s, ram, everything then do it for a cost just slightly higher than cheap Intel servers Sun could corner a market that isn’t there. Reliable servers are going to be next as people realize the value of replacement parts over whole machines, but only if the costs of the replacements are cheap enough.
“Uhh.. Sounds like a political response. NO OFFENSE!!”
Hehehehe. That’s what i thought when i read:
“so i would not compare 32-bit solaris systems to linux because linux will most likely defeat it.”
“Linux is viral–The progress it has made against unix is oustanding–completely..”
“viral affect the gpl”
“This is my opinion. I don’t recommend making your OS change a political thing…. Although I’m biased against the GPL because I’m a software programmer + sales and I’ve lost sales due to the GPL.. I tend to lean toward non-GPL software.. I have to watch it!”
You state your biased, political opinion. Fair enough. Someone else posts his opinion regarding free (beer) software then you say his post is political. Yours wasn’t? Pot-kettle.
As for “Solaris and BSD outperform Linux” (with whatever userland, on whatever architecture) you have not provide any details, research, benchmarks to back up these wild assertions. Only your own Holy Word which, for the record, is far from a trustable authority to me without any back-up.
“i don’t know if i was even supposed to say anything, but he said he spoke with the facts. So it seems sun believes they can open source solaris, regardless of what SCO says. That’s all I know.. you can treat it as ‘rumour’ I guess.”
Point taken. I misread “he” as if “he” was someone else than the person you meant.
Someone should remind McBride that stock scams only work if you remember to SELL HIGH!!
Lawyers get millions every quarter. And the lawyers want to delay the court date for fifteen months? Duh.
I predict, in the end someone’s going to buy SCO for the price of a donut and coffee.
-Bob
“As for “Solaris and BSD outperform Linux” (with whatever userland, on whatever architecture) you have not provide any details, research, benchmarks to back up these wild assertions. Only your own Holy Word which, for the record, is far from a trustable authority to me without any back-up.”
Your right, you will have to run the systems yourself to find out. It also depends on what your doing.
BSD on single cpu outperforming linux and Solaris outperforming linux on SPARC is widely known throughout the community.