“Miguel de Icaza is a nice guy in a multitude of senses: He’s warm, friendly, and open — sometimes that openness has cost him, as recently when it was reported that he had said the GNOME desktop would be moved to Mono, an effort by Ximian to create an open source version of Microsoft’s .NET platform.” Read the interesting interview with Miguel de Icaza at LinuxAndMain.com
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do those Ximian people just copy?
Evolution looks just like MS Outlook.
and why is java worse than .NET? it is the lesser of two evils and it actually does have source code available and some very good developers
and why he couldn’t work with dotGNU?
I was a contributer to DotGNU early on. we tried to make a cooperative effort available to Mono, however, they seemed reluctent to give up any information as to what exactly Mono was at that time (Mono had just began also).
a Mono Developer joined DotGNU, however, he quickly became verbaly abusive and frequently complained about how the work we were doing was doubleing efforts of mono. we told him we attempted to get information from Miguel about what Mono was so we could make sure as to not double efforts, he did not care and kept up with his barage of anti-productive comments. He was then band from the list. this brought about a big hoo haa that even got RMS involved!!!
needless to say, relationed wained between the 2 projects.
It did turn out however that the 2 projects did not overlap. Mono is a compiler and API, that is all. DotGNU however is a replacemnet for the entire .NET framework. it includes server modules, APIs, a secure exution client for code, and byte code.
Mono can be expanded to include the ability to compile to dotGUN bytecode and be able to use the API.
so as it turns out, they are complimentary.
>Mono can be expanded to include the ability to compile to
>dotGUN bytecode and be able to use the API.
do the bytecodes differ between mono, ms .net and .gnu?
also, does the API?
> do those Ximian people just copy?
> Evolution looks just like MS Outlook.
That’s the point. Evolution was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Outlook. New users will be able to pick it up easily because of its familiar interface. This makes it more attractive to corporations, since they won’t have to retrain their staff.
> and why is java worse than .NET? it is the lesser of two
> evils and it actually does have source code available and
> some very good developers
When Miguel talks about DotNET, he speaks only of the DotNET framework, not Passport or Hailstorm/MyServices. The framework, including C#, is well-designed and is an open ECMA standard. Java is still controlled by Sun, so adopting it would put you at the mercy of one corporation. DotNET is not tied to any one language, unlike Java, and it has a greater feature set. Existing applications can be very easily extended to DotNET.
> do those Ximian people just copy?
> Evolution looks just like MS Outlook.
God is in the details.
>do those Ximian people just copy?
>Evolution looks just like MS Outlook.
The folks at Ximian are not very good at creating usable interfaces and really don’t have anybody who knows what they’re doing UI-wise. So they go ahead and blindly copy microsoft, (who just happens to be the most frequent inductee into the User Interface Hall of Shame). Which is sort of like not being very good at math and copying the answers off of the stupidest kid in class just because he’s popular and can throw a football really far.