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GNOME 2.9.3 Development Release is now available, more info here.
Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli
Keep up the good work, gnome team
Well?
Odd versions are development releases, meaning this is the “Pre 2.10” GNOME.
So, this is pretty much all features, this isn’t meant to be rock solid stable, and it is definitly not just a bugfix release. If anything, few bugs from 2.8.x were probably fixed.
As for the new features due in 2.10, I’m not sure, although I bet the GNOME website has a list.
http://members.optushome.com.au/tilsan/images/stupid-file-selector….
And can we edit our menus yet?
Can we see the difference between /home/username and smb:///server/share/username in the window list yet?
Can we have Nautilus remember window size and position when used in browser mode yet?
We don’t need any new features, we just need the ones already there to work properly! And from a DE that touts usability, we need some actual usability bugs fixed as described above!
I like Gnome, but it’s so damn annoying having bugs like these continue to be present release after release, it’s just idiotic.
I agree with the posts about stopping new features. I would like to see Gnome get more solid. Nautilus should remember window view peristence and renaming a file should be a easier than it currently is. Bring back editing of menus via XML files in the user home directory and make the network browsing solid. Once all those core features are solid then move on with new stuff. Please, please, pretty please?
-mark
And can we edit our menus yet?
Since 2.6
Have you checked GNOME’s Bugzilla? Some of what you say may be technically feature requests, but those are allowed in Bugzilla, too. If what you say is not in Bugzilla, consider adding it. It raises your chances of being fixed or ‘fixed’. Applications -> Programming -> Bug reporting tool should allow you to add data to Bugzilla in a convenient fashion.
Personally, i care less for menu’s. The OS i use with GNOME (Debian) fixes that by itself. I don’t use Nautilus. However, i really appreciate a useful thumbnail browser popping up when i plug in my digicam especially if i can turn it off if i wish to. YMMV, and it appears it does vary. It boils down to a matter of preference.
Agree, in principle. But we need some new features.
We need to be able to manage Posix ACLs. Right now a windows user connected through samba have better possibilities setting and viewing file permissions than root running Gnome.
We should not only be able to see and view ACLs, if we try to copy a file from a file system that support ACLs to a file system that don’t we should get a warning message.
We also need to be able to see extended attributes of file systems that supports it.
SELinux needs to be addressed so that resource types can be viewed and set on files.
“And can we edit our menus yet?”
Since 2.6
This function still contains so many bugs and is so fragile that some distros turns it off.
@ Uno Engborg
Well I’m not sure if its the result of Gentoo dev’s but the menu editing works well for me on my Gentoo box using Gnome 2.8.
This function still contains so many bugs and is so fragile that some distros turns it off.
I think the reason they turned it off was because they wanted to keep it uniform for both GNOME and KDE (For distros who have both options)
What is the deal with network browsing? It used to work. The ideas are great now, but nothing works.
It is funny that you mention network browsing. It works for me. Perfectly actually on a variety of network types. The hilarious thing about that is I have 3 other machines running fc3 with gnome 2.8 and *zero* of those machines have functioning smb browsing. What is the difference? I have no idea. It has worked intermittantly for a while now but the bottom line is that the vfs implementation is flakey and not well maintained.
I entered a bug on smb browing a while ago that really illustrated the root of the problem. The smb browing is now rolled into the main gnome-vfs2 package. However, there is still a package called gnome-vfs-extras laying around. I was never really able to figure out what that package is for. Anyway, when I first entered the bug I accidentally (and understandably) entered the bug under this gnome-vfs-extras package. So some guy starts posting to the bug asking me what version, etc I’m using. The just tells me it is not a bug against his package. End. No explanation. Finally I figure it out and move the bug over to gnome-vfs2 where it has been rotting, untouched, for about 6 months now. This is basically a repeat of a similar bug I entered about two years ago against the smb vfs stuff. No response.
I’m not saying those developers are jerks or bad or anything. It is just really clear that no one is working very hard on the vfs backend and more developers are clearly needed there. And *that* is why network browsing on gnome is flakey and limited at best.
What exactly is stupid about the file selector? I just don’t get it. The file selector is perfect, IMO. The best file selector i’ve ever seen.
Please don’t tell me your complaint is about the textbox for typing the file name… the file selector is much cleaner without it, and you still have Ctrl+L.
Victor.
I’ve seen improvements in GNOME since 2.6, 2.10 wont the exception, GNOME keeps getting better and better every release.
concerning your complaint about file selector: it is perfectly normal for NORMAL people not to see configuration files.
could you please try some empathy and you’ll see what confusion would create visible configuration files.
why reinvent things like a file selector, bot Qt/kde and windows version is perfect .. should have just copied it… the gnome one is confusing to say the least.
the gnome one is confusing to say the least.
I’m mostly using windowsxp, but one of the things I really like when I’m using gnome IS actually the fileselector. IMHO it’s truly perfect, just WAY better than windows (and of course kde, but that ain’t hard…)
>> Can we have Nautilus remember window size and position when used in browser mode yet? <<
Yes, agreed – this is anoying and needs to be recitfied – in the meantime, for a fixed full screen size on open:
nautilus –geometry=AxB+0+0
subs. A & B for your resolution.
I’m really looking forward to see GTK+ 2.6 in action. It seems like the best GTK+ release ever: New features and performance improvements all over the place.
I suspect that’s because you are used to the Windows/QT/KDE one… While not perfect, I think the new GTK file selector is actually quite great. You just have to get used to it.
The problem I’ve had, is if the filename was too long, the fileselector would just bug out. Generally it would just stop responding and flicker all over the place. I’m not sure if they’ve fixed that yet or not, I ended up changing the name of the folder it was having problems with.
try typing
nautilus applications:///
in a terminal. This lets me edit menus on ubuntu. let me know if it works.
#include troll.h
/*
It is as if they have dug a hole and instead of climbing out of that hole they just dig deeper and deeper. I’d almost suspect, collectively, gnome of trying to prove a point to someone. I don’t know that someone and I suspect at this point they don’t either.
I’d surmize only secretaries think the file selector is perfect. What’s a secretary doing reading osnews and does your boss know your diddling company resources on the clock no less?
*/
Even easier there is usually a start-here icon on your desktop.
Go into that and then into applications.
You can edit the menus from there unless you are using Fedora/RH.
Honestly, I have not been hurting that much for menu editing in Fedora Core 3. I was understanding when RH 8 had not menu editing. I was annoyed when RH 9 did not. Now I am just pissed off. The Nautilus method of menu editing is not perfect or quite a reliable as KDE but even the KDE way has issues sometimes. It did work with a few bugs and pretty well if I remember right from the old Ximian Desktop 2 on my Suse 9 box I had at work at my last place.
Silly crap is what it is. I have to give Fedora props though it has not driven me nuts and I have yet to edit a desktop file with vi as root.
Why?
Unlike the old Suse that takes an everything and the kitchen sink approach or XD2 that stripped too much from the menus Fedora really sets up the menus very, very well.
Once I got into it I really like the file selector, and the desktop panel arrangements and the positioning of buttons on the dialogs.
smb browsing works fine in Fedora 3 but did not work very well in RH9 but then again Ximian Desktop 2 like a year or so ago if I remember my SuSE days. It could still work better and I have a couple of feature requests on this that are filed.
The spatial stuff I have tried to get used to but my gosh they need a places sidebar with common destinations like Home and Computer and start-here and Documents and Music etc…etc… ad nausem. A quick short cut back to common places on a sidebar is still more logical than a drop down menu.
how is a sidebar more logical than the places menu? perhaps a places sidebar would be nice, but i hardly think it’s MORE logical – the places menu is exactly what one would think of – a list of places.
[quote]http://members.optushome.com.au/tilsan/images/stupid-file-selector….]
If you want to see your hidden files, simply right click on the file selection box. Then choose “show hidden files”. Not that hard, really…
While I like gnome, I don’t like the way nautilus copies files very much, I’d really love to see something like the way OpenTracker (for BeOS) copied things, in other words, when possibly overwriting files, to have the computer show file sizes and dates for both files and these options:
– Overwrite older
– Overwrite all older
– Rename source
– Auto rename source file
– Rename destiny file
– Auto rename destiny file
And I’d really love it if it could just go on copying everything it can without overwriting and finally, when it has finished, ask me what to do with conflicting files.
That would be very nice