Unfortunately, the cute FreeBSD daemon is sometimes treated with misunderstanding in the religious and cultural
context. That’s why The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. You can find the rules of the competition in this document. Update: There is now a petition to keep Beastie, however FreeBSD’s own Robert Watson emailed us to inform us that they are “seeking a new logo, but not a new mascot“, so that petition is really reduntant. Update 2: Rob Watson writes:
– The announcement text was an early draft, and the contest hasn’t been announced yet.
– One of the immediate pieces of feedback we got was that we need to make
it more clear: this is not about replacing the beastie!
– We’re looking to create a new logo that can be used with the Beastie, or
by itself. One of the specific concerns we have is that the daemon
renders poorly in print using one-color, two-color, etc, and we need a
vector logo, not just a mascot. Another was finding a logo that could
be conveniently and easily printed by vendors on packaging for products
that support FreeBSD. Not all vendors are willing to stick a Daemon on
their packaging!
– We anticipate releasing the real announcement in the near future, at the
logo-contest.freebsd.org URL. When it’s ready, we’ll send out e-mail to
freebsd-announce, and we’ll drop you a direct e-mail.
– Once again we’ve been reminded of an important lesson: don’t put
something on the web site if it’s not ready to be seen. After at least
three premature postings of FreeBSD releases on slashdot due to files
starting to appear on the FTP mirrors even though the announcement
hadn’t been sent, you’d think we’d have learned.
Robert N M Watson
“No prayer in school is not about ‘offending’ anyone. It is about being forced to take part in a ritual that you might not necessarily believe in. So it’s there so going to school won’t infringe on your freedom of religion.”
And what exactly is the measure stick of “freedom of religion”? How come it was perfectly ok for public schools to have prayer for years? How come this was never seen as suppresing “freedom of religion” until recently. The measuring stick of freedom of religion is “offending” people. If noone was offended by it, it would still be there.
I think this genie looks cool – and preservers something aboute the beastie aspect. Not to mention that the FreeBSD slogan was for a long time “The Power to Serve” and that fits nicely with a genie.
ftp://hatvani.unideb.hu/pub/FreeBSD/ADDONS/wallpapers/bsdgenie.jpg
Now I don’t have this exact image in mind, but a simplified or logoified version of a genie (keep to horns as a reminder of beastie and the pitchfork). Also, colors are important. This is not exactly what I have in mind, but it is a good example for simplification -just the siluoutte of beastie in fire – which can loog good with a low color palette as well.
ftp://hatvani.unideb.hu/pub/FreeBSD/ADDONS/wallpapers/freebsd53.pn…
Slash wrote:
[The beastie] is very unprofessional for companies in general.
Why? What makes it unprofessional? What makes a ‘professional’ logo?
if the freebsd team has balls, they won’t listen to the Bush extremist religious followers who want our world to be evil!
Don’t listen to them! No way!! *THEY* are evil
> [The beastie] is very unprofessional for companies in general.
Do you think a red hat or a cameleon looks any better?
“What I find really ironic is that the “enlightened” atheists are the least tolerant people, most hateful, self-righteous on this planet, and these “backwards” Christians are the foundation of freedom, acceptance and love in this world.”
You care to explain the many crusades and bloodfilled jihads done in the name of religion that have plagued mankind for many centuries that form the basis of most of the modern world today ?
Just another perfect example of living in a glass house.Put your stones down.
Peace
What makes a good professional image?
A good professional image is a recognizable image of something that can be quickly associated with a company that offends no one. So yes, a red hat is a really good professional image. It is clearly recognizable. When seeing it, people quickly associate it with RedHat. And it is very neutral and unoffensive. Other good images are Nike, Sun, Coca-Cola, Microsoft (the Windows signature), Apple, and IBM. They all are very neutral symbols that people associate with the company.
does anyone remeber the mac os x being evil thing.
the bite out of the apple logo
darwin kernel
first apple costing $666 or something
i think there were some more resons too
ssam
I personally think that the “beastie” gives the wrong connotations about FreeBSD. The devil is a symbol that has traditionally been associated with evil and treachery. Is that really the kind of thing you want associated with FreeBSD?
I readily admit that the beastie is cute and well-drawn, but it really has nothing to do with FreeBSD, just as Tux has really nothing to do with Linux. Getting rid of it will be a shame, but it’s not the end of the world.
To me, this is just like using a swastika. In some cultures, it’s a symbol of peace and whatever… but to others, it has some very, very unpleasant connotations. Think of the logo contest as being culturally sensitive.
What’s most disturbing is the number of people who immediately have used this to further their hatred of people who who have different beliefs than them. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
-Erwos
I totally agree with you. Threads like these often show the hatred that a lot of people, that consider them self as ever so tolerant, hold against religion. A lot on not called for generalizations and rants are made going totally off topic. It’s kind of turning into tha whole Ubunto default desktop theme discussion 😉
I am a christian and I like the FreeBSD logo. It’s too bad they are changing it, still it’s just funny to see how a lot of people go to full frontal attack on christianity without having any background info about this case.
(disclaimer: not all christians are bigots and in fact most advances in western science between 0 and 2000ad were done by christians 😉 )
Oh? In my experience, at least today, the gamut of religions scientists choose (for those that are religious) is quite diverse. However many scientists that I have read about and, at least a large majority of those I converse with, either hold no religion at all or are for the most part agnostic. It is my opinion a true scientist would not subscribe to a religion because religion requires you to reject scientific methodology, which every respectable scientist cares about deeply. One who tries to understand the world by applying the scientific method does not simply lay down that method when asked about the origin of life or the Universe. A true scientist would say “I don’t know” when asked, because that is the truth, we do not know, nor can we “know” anything, but that is for another thread and this rant is quite off-topic.
About the daemon though, meh .. they can do what they want, it’s their project, but they should not be surprised at the response given towards their decision. Many people recognize the project by that logo, most do not see any problem with the daemon, most do not see how a new logo could be an improvement over the old (especially since Beastie is already so established in the minds of many geeks). FreeBSD is an excellent operating system and, though I consider the decision to be silly, the success of a project is based upon the leaders’ intelligence. I’ll leave it at that.
A good professional image is a recognizable image of something that can be quickly associated with a company that offends no one.
In other words it’s so watered out that it really doesn’t mean anything.
So yes, a red hat is a really good professional image. It is clearly recognizable. When seeing it, people quickly associate it with RedHat.
Only as long as you are aware that the company is named redhat.
And it is very neutral and unoffensive. Other good images are Nike, Sun, Coca-Cola, Microsoft (the Windows signature), Apple, and IBM. They all are very neutral symbols that people associate with the company.
Sorry to bust you bubble, but does nike have a logo? Can’t be very good since I can’t for the life of me remember how it looks.. Sun, Coca-Cola and IBM is only associable with their companies because it says it’s basically the company name in a fancy style – even if the big blue logo is better since it has some symbolism built in. Maybe I don’t know enough about the coca-cola company, but for me that logo doesn’t mean squat. And finally, I could quite well imagine some religous nut-case taking offence at the macintosh apple with a bite in it.. or some feminist craving for publicity. But you are right, it’s a good logo. 😉
HEH, the ad at the top of the page for this story was:
http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CMPajejA3oOMxQ…
(Oh, FreeBSD should, imho, keep the daemon as a mascot & get a new logo)
“Sorry to bust you bubble, but does nike have a logo?”
Swoosh?
http://www.nike.com/nikebiz/nikebiz.jhtml?page=5&item=origin
I think that they should create a new logo, like someone mentioned, featuring Beastie and yet not having it too obvious. Something simple like the Red Hat or the Suse chameleon or the Mandrake star or the Netbsd flag. Yet, Beastie should remain in stuff like artwork, wallpapers etc.
Take a look at Sun: they have the Java cup logo for corporate and ordinary users and the Duke mascot for us geeks. Yet nobody blamed them for not being serious.
In my opinion is has nothing to to with religion. However they don’t want anything like the famous picture where Beastie is f**cking Tux or something even worse 🙂
*omg* how sad a fate! ;(
hmm. I think you missed the point.. that I couldn’t remember it. But of course that could be related to my total disinterest in sports gear. 🙂
“> [The beastie] is very unprofessional for companies in general.
Do you think a red hat or a cameleon looks any better?
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I think Suse’s one is very nice indeed. It doesn’t have to be a “serious” one, to be a serious company. Remember Apple ?? Ha, ha, one of the most known logo of the word
if the freebsd team has balls, they won’t listen to the Bush extremist religious followers who want our world to be evil!
Don’t listen to them! No way!! *THEY* are evil
Wow there are some real low-brows that post here. I didn’t know Ward Churchill posts on these forums!
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Has anyone else noticed the horrible grammer in the announcement text? I wonder if this is even an official idea, or perhaps the project of just one of the members on the core team. I looked through the mailing list and didn’t really see any mention of it.
If it is real, I would just like to say, political correctness aside, that the current logo is fantastic. It may not be the sole reason why I decided to use FreeBSD, but it is most certainly what caught my eye to it and try it out. I was a bit disapointed when I heard about the logo change contest for NetBSD, and incredibly disapointed with their selection. The more “professional” looking logo that they decided upon seems wholy uninspired and boring. So on that note, I beg of you. Please do not change the logo. I have come to love this operating system, and I would hate to see what grabbed my attention to it in the first place just disapear.
This whole professionalism reason is TERRIBLE
Whats possibly the most commonly used piece of OSS, non-server software in a corporate enviroment? Firefox. (actually, it might be OpenOffice…. not sure)
Which has a *cuddly fox* as its logo. A Devil wearing Converse sneakers is no more unprofessional than a fox.
I use FreeBSD in a corporate enviroment. Nobody ever makes comments about the devil – they KNOW its just a damn logo.
NetBSD needed a logo change because their old one was huge. FreeBSD has no real reason to change its logo.
Just keep in mind that this is about a FreeBSD Logo .. Beastie is and will remain the FreeBSD Mascot … there is a big difference between Logo and Mascot
If you want your voice heard:
http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html
And spread the word. Thank you.
Who cares what religious types think at all.
Religion has nothing to do with BSD’s logo what so ever.
Why give two shi..hits about them?
I say make the bsd devil kneeling and praying to god or some other sarcastic approach.
Although if bsd changes the logo to say a cartoon jesus I will have to change my forum icons on the net to cartoon jesus indulgeing in anal sex with tux…lol.
If BSD changes there icon because of these religious fanatics soley….i lose all respect for there thinking entirely.
Dead Wrong!!!!
Thats not the point.The point is that if you have angenda based on an ideology then that ideology has to be questioned.If i came and rob you of your money and said I did it in the name of Santa Claus then the philosophy of that agenda must be questioned for its validity even if that was not the original purpose.Nowhere in my original post i mentioned any particular religion.I was responding to comment made in reply.
How typical of zealots to act first then ask questions later.Its the likes of you that has been brainwashed as there many great examples of humanitarianism that have existed throughout the ages that had no religious linkages whatsoever.
Grow up and stop slinging around your religion when no one attacked you on it.We all have different beliefs and should be respected for that based on FACTS AND NOT EMOTIVE WHIMS.
Peace
If changing the logo will help improve marketing for freebsd, I’m all for it.
“Are you saying that an atheist has no values? No, sorry: this is unacceptable.”
No, I am not saying that atheist’s have no value. The vast majority of atheists are very nice, moral people. Most even behave “more Christians” than a lot of Christians.
I was merely saying that atheism get’s it’s value from within the person and not from a well defined outside source. Some atheists might believe that abortion is wrong. Some atheists might believe that homosexuality is wrong. Some atheists might believe that premarital sex is wrong. Some atheists might laugh at the idea of marriage and commitment. Some atheists might believe that freedom is granted and taken away by governments. There really isn’t any outside authority defining what is wrong or right. People are right as long as they truly believe they are right. I’m sorry I offended anyone.
I was just making a point that “freedom”, the way western civilization has defined it and the way we protect it, is a very Christian ideal. It is the belief that God has granted people free will and man/government has no right in taking it away. People have the choice of doing good and bad. People have the choice of worshipping God or not. It is not our place to “kill or force” anything upon others. What God has given man, let man not interfere with it.
“For Crusades, for Inquisition, for innumerable witch hunts and above all for *obstructing the path of science* and humiliating a lot of people whose only guilt was searching for the truth (Galileo, etc), I blame the Church. And I really don’t know who on earth doesn’t. ”
Well, I belive it is wrong to blame it on the Church. You should blame it on the bias’s and limited knowledge of the people back then. Christianity did not call for crusades, for witch hunts, for obstructing the path of science, for innumerable witch hunts. Read the teachings of Jesus Christ and please tell me anywhere that Jesus calls for this. As I said earlier, it is people’s fear of the unknown, general lack of trust in God, evil, and greed that makes people behave immorally. And when they do, they will use whatever tool is available, even one that strictly tells them it is wrong to do what they are doing.
Dont let this happen, goddamnit Any symbol could mean something religous and could affend people like for example, the pengquin in linux could affend nuns, this is nonsense, dont change the logo pleaseeee!!!
It’s pretty amazing in that looking over the posts from the religious and the anti-religious which side (religious) seems to explain their reasoning out in a cool and calming matter and which side (anti-religious) doesn’t. It seems that the anti-religious people on here have a a lot of hatred in them from reading their writing. It’s kind of scary really.
If a more mature attitude is what there after then hey….just ditch his pitchfork for a pen and briefcase and put a business suit on the lil devil….simple really.
This is a rejection of the freedom FBSD stands for. This is political tripe; stuff like this belongs in political circles (like GNU) not in BSD’s.
I’m a Christian, and I do not find it offensive in any way. I find is creative and I think it made a lot of sense.
I for one will be sorry to see Daemon go, and I hold no respect for this decision’s basis. Had they simply said:
“We’re bored of Daemon, it’s getting old; let’s make something new.”
Then I would stand behind this. But they’ve cited that some idiot (and I do not use this term lightly) has found this offensive, for this I am against this change.
Please don’t become politically correct in a day when people are finally seeing how dumb political correctness is.
“Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)”
Dumb Dumb, a. AS. dumb; akin to D. dom stupid, dumb, Sw.
dumb, Goth. dumbs; cf. Gr. ? blind. See Deaf, and cf.
Dummy.
1. Destitute of the power of speech; unable; to utter
articulate sounds; as, the dumb brutes.
“It’s pretty amazing in that looking over the posts from the religious and the anti-religious which side (religious) seems to explain their reasoning out in a cool and calming matter and which side (anti-religious) doesn’t.”
Hmmm, see if my post above was calm, cool and collected enough for you.
[quote]the pengquin in linux could affend nuns,[/quote]
Lol@the blues brothers movie:)
This is political correctness (idealogy based bullying) gone mad — I can’t believe someone is seriously suggesting that Beastie has to go because others alegedly “misinterpret” one of the Webs oldest and most loved logos.
Looks as though Beastie shall remain the mascot. But as I mentioned before, the LOGO does need some adjustment. 🙂
Well, that’s good. I really think the way “FreeBSD” is written in the graphics is old. They need a new look. Their site is so.. 90s.. 😉
The beastie is apart of the logo though, so I don’t think it will be displayed as often as it has before. Ohwell though, as long as something look professional.
A little bit of the truth is nessicary.
I think this new logo idea is a failed attempt to make the BSD’s more marketable, like GNU/Linux.
The reason why FreeBSD is not being adopted as much as Linux is because Linux systems are better: better performance and better features, and is stable similar to FreeBSD.
Personally I used to use FreeBSD and liked it; though changing the logo will not make the system more advanced or user-friendly, coding a graphical installer and working on smpng will.
i don’t see all the need for the religious and anti-religious stuff.
I mean it’s obvious that the mascot is just a friendly thing that is supposed to make sense of the actual services on the OS. It’s clear that the foundation is not ant-religious weither it be islam, christianity, your neighborhood cult, etc.
Mostly people “think” it will offend masses but in reality only offends a slight few. I personally feel that If my company had a mascot like freebsd does and customers got offended while we promoted peace and open development that i wouldn’t want those customers. That’s just me though.
make a ‘OhLordBSD’ and change the logo.
Leave FreeBSD intact!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your clarification about atheism. But I really think that your vision of history and society, with regards to the topics you touched in your post, is far from objective: basically, you suggest that Christianity should somehow be credited for the values of freedom at the basis of our society, but it shouldn’t be blamed for the past where these same values were totally ignored.
My view is quite the opposite: the values of freedom on which our society is founded come from classical liberalism (that has little to do with the meaning of the world “liberal” today: I’d say it has more to do with libertarianism), that is a way of thinking that was developed in the last one, maybe two centuries. Christianity has been there for 2000 years. How can Christianity be credited for liberalism?
The people from the Church *weren’t* on the front line in establishing a society founded on liberal (=libertarian) values. OTOH, they *were on the front line* in many gross wrongdoings: obstructing science and humiliating Galileo because his findings weren’t in line with their literal interpretation of the Bible are just minor examples.
My point is, if somebody behaves like a zealot and attacks you, please don’t go down on the same level. You can’t fight zealotry with zealotry, in that way everybody loses.
adam wrote the following nonsense:
“The reason why FreeBSD is not being adopted as much as Linux is because Linux systems are better: better performance and better features, and is stable similar to FreeBSD.”
What’s New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/04/133253&tid=122&tid=…
“FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can’t do much more than 100kpps.”
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3367381
“FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year.”
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearly_25_million_acti…
“[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003.”
You can go back home now, dear troll. HAND
In tribute of Free BSD and Beastie I was inspired to create this image out of an old Black Sabbath album cover.
http://www.west.net/~bcid/bsd.jpg
Long live beastie!
Save chuck! screw the religious zelots. what makes them think they can run things. you can keep your jesus i want my beasti.
my logo: I really hope this pisses someone off.
http://homepage.mac.com/epochof7/3915422570.jpg
Enjoy.
This is truly sad, pathetic and depressing. Nobody forced the FreeBSD core team to do this. There are a multitude of companies and individuals that embraced FreeBSD with Beastie, and many more would do so in the future. (Yahoo being one of many examples.)
There is absolutely no justification for this decision and
this is a prime example of people willingly censoring themselves at the price of free speech and liberty. And for what? Just cause someone might be offended?
I hope FreeBSD contributers stop participating in the project and organize a world wide boycott untill the desicion is reversed. Someone sugested a fork and if that’s what it takes then so be it. Lets put the “Free” back into
FreeBSD.
I am hard pressed to believe FreeBSD 5.3 can route better than Linux 2.6. Especially enlight of this benchmark.
http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml?tid=1…
Seriously, I was not trolling; I just don’t think a logo will bring any positive publicity to FreeBSD or open new markets. It will just alienate alot of people.
I am hard pressed to believe FreeBSD 5.3 can route better than Linux 2.6. Especially enlight of this benchmark.
http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml?tid=1…..
Supersmack is a MySQL benchmark and have NOTHING to to with routing performance. You seriously need to learn about benchmarking.
I think thats a terrible idea personally.
If people are so afraid, why don’t they just go use DragonflyBSD or make a “CommercialBSD” or something.
BSD/OS was out there for years…
I think thats a terrible idea personally.
You mena the LOGO contest, I assume.
I genuinely think Beastie is excellent, BUT Beastie is a MASCOT, not a LOGO. FreeBSD currently does not have a LOGO!
So I actually think it is an excellent idea.
If people are so afraid, why don’t they just go use DragonflyBSD or make a “CommercialBSD” or something.
BSD/OS was out there for years…
Afraid of what? And what has Dragonfly got to do with it?
FreeBSD is growing in popularity not diminishing. It’s just that it’s been decided that FreeBSD need more, better advocacy and a proper logo helps with that.
Beastie is NOT going anywhere. Beastie is too closely identified with FreeBSD and most users and developers are way too fond of him and his deamonettes.
It’s been said before but obviously need to bee repeated, It’s a new LOGO contest NOT a MASCOT contest.
Now I’m going to my drawinboard to make my first submission…
the daemon got to go. I never liked demon figures, and quite welcomed NetBSD’s recent new logo.
Supersmack is a MySQL benchmark and have NOTHING to to with routing performance. You seriously need to learn about benchmarking.
If you read my post I said I doubted that to be true, and I still do right now. I would like to see a benchmark comparing the routing prowless of Linux using a “zero copy” driver vs FreeBSD under similar circumstances.
This is not a packaged “freebsd is dieing” troll, or any type of troll. So I do not need a packaged response with the typical netcraft and stealth growth links.
At least this news post showed me who is really tolerant and it ain’t most of you.
They are looking for a new LOGO! Businesses do this all the time.
Get off your benches are catch a clue.
They are looking for a new LOGO! Businesses do this all the time.
FreeBSD is not a business.
If they don’t want to touch the mascot, then why do they say the current logo is not politically / not religiously correct? If you take the mascot out of the logo, then it’s only a simple font. They wouldn’t say so, then.
They imply that the mascot is part of the logo and is the problem.
They are utterly wrong. They should listen to their base of users.
It’s amazing how all of you can type when how few of you can acctually read.
misunderstood in “religious and cultural context”? Give me a break, nobody understands the relation between a devilish figure and unix daemons.
User: “Daemon? What’s a daemon?”
It’s a cute joke only understood by programmers. When I use FreeBSD with customers, I always make sure noone sees the logo.
Beastie is about the best OS logo around, my 10 year old daughter wants to switch from Linux to FreeBSD because of Beastie. That’s got to be worth something these days when not too much seems to matter other than cool brands…
I don’t see what anyone has against FreeBSD’s getting a new logo; there is no logo to speak of yet so nothing’s going to be replaced, the much-loved mascot will not change.
I think this is an excellent idea and wish designers all the best with inspiration.
If you read my post I said I doubted that to be true, and I still do right now. I would like to see a benchmark comparing the routing prowless of Linux using a “zero copy” driver vs FreeBSD under similar circumstances.
Yes, but you used a benchmark that tells you absolutely nothing about routing perfornmance. You said:
“Especially enlight of this benchmark…”
Which means you put Supersmack performance into some theoretical routing performance which they have no relevance for at all. Doubt all you want but base those doubts on relevant data.
Kindof like recent benchmarks of NetBSD where microbenchmark performance was turned into theoretical macro performance completely ignoring the fact that one can optimize for macro performance i.e. actual workload.
Nothing wrong with the benchmarks but realize that they tell you squat about other aspects of performance i.e. routing throughput. It was not Linux that was used to break the land speed record for instance, but using that Supersmack benchmark, as some base for theoretical network throughput, one would hardly guess NetBSD was used.
This is not a packaged “freebsd is dieing” troll, or any type of troll. So I do not need a packaged response with the typical netcraft and stealth growth links.
Uh, I think you’re mixing my comments with someone elses (ulibs perhaps?). Please don’t do that. I never said you were a troll.
Tux finally killed the Beastie.
Who will be the next?
First, yes I know that Beastie is not actually going away; I just felt I had to point this out.
I am a Christian, and I don’t find the image of Beastie offensive in the least. That’s because, unlike most Christians out there, I have actually read the Bible. While the Bible doesn’t actually describe demons in great detail, it does say that they are fallen angels. Lucifer/Satan himself was the most beautiful of the heavenly angels. Therefore, demons look just like angels, because they are angels.
So, I don’t find a little red guy with a pointed tail, horns and a pitchfork offensive at all. But then, I’m not your average Christian…I think for myself too much.
The Beastie is cool!!! I do not agree change the FreeBSD’s logo.
/me climbs aboard the Good Ship Righteous Indignation and joins the discussion:
From what I can see, nowhere (apart from in Eugenia Loli-Queru’s Summary/Editorial) is there any mention of ‘misunderstading’, ‘culture’ or ‘religion’. All I can see is a feature saying there will soon be a competition, that Beastie will not be leaving and thats about it.
All mentions of Christianinty, Atheism, Intolerance etc are brought here by the posters, not the article or the competition.
End Note: Tell it to the BSD team.
You know, let’s not use the mascot change of FreeBSD to bash Christianity or conservative minded people, because as I recall most of the protests to change both pro and collegiate sports mascots came from liberally minded people, so it’s kinda funny to hear someone liberally minded to complain about some supposed opposition to the current FreeBSD mascot, the beastie without any basis in fact. I guess since the mascot looks like the devil then someone with a knee jerk reaction would think well the only people that would be opposed to this would be religious groups? Is there any proof to back this up or is it just some half baked assumption being used as an excuse to go Christian bashing?
I read the criteria for which the new icon would meet and yes it does sound politically correct, but offending Christians is also politically correct because as it seems that in the dominant media you will be burned at the stake if you say something negative towards about a minority or special interest group, but there is certainly no reservation whatsover to bash Christians. It might also be interesting to note that Jews and Muslims also believe in Hell and im going to assume they also believe there is a devil and since everyone is tiptoeing to be sensitive to Muslims (just so u know I am respectful of their religon, but not the twisted version practiced by terrorists), what is the complaint about changing the mascot then?