Rasterman talks about other’s opinions. As he says, E17 has several of the tecnoologies gnome and others are searching. He adds two videos as a proof with animate backgrounds and other things.Perhaps it’s time for the linux desktop world to stop reinventing the wheel and collaborate one with each other. Gnome has things like accesibility and lots of apps, enlightenment has a very powerful rendering engine. It’d be a shame to see people reinventing the wheel.
I can’t say anything about comparing OS X and E. I lack the in-depth knowlidge on both…for now. However I (as many others recently) browsed through the EFL and I must say once this week ends, I’m getting this thing, its documentation and I’m getting my hands dirty.
What I wanted to point out to you is that you talk about the clock and the fire, etc.Well, try looking at some other apps developed with EFL and then took at the bigger picture, not just examples. Imagine the possibilities and keep in mind E17 is not finished yet.
One more thing, to people talking about how KDE, Gnome,etc. is more productive than E17. First of all that varies with the user’s preference but say the majority feel like that.
Think about all the people telling Ford that his prototype of an automobile was slower than a horse. I am sure we all are happy that that kind of talk didn’t stop him.
Rasterman and E team, thanks for your work. Keep it up!
We have thought about it… to get all the animation etc. would reauire much more than just a theme engine for gtk/qt – a massive overhaul of internals… but possible. we were mulling a cut down theme engine that drops the animation but can give you the same gfx/layout abilities for the theme.
I see a lot of people talking about Evas on Cairo, but Cairo uses RENDER (or glitz) as a backend. Evas, to my understanding, can also use RENDER as a backend. So I think putting Evas on top of Cairo wouldn’t make much sense.
However, Cairo is meant to be portable. Porting Evas to Cairo might make sense for portability reasons.
Evas is also designed to be protable
the Cairo engine is a “because we can” engine – its not THAT useful 
Hey Rasta man, I think you and your crew have done a great job.
So pls. keep it going, and show us what linux desktop might look like.
Only now I have realised there is potential, problem, however is how to unite dev., so that they won’t reinvent the wheel once agian.
Looking forward to E17
If XFree86/x.org do same quality code optimizations in 2001… Rasterman, do not listen anybody, keep going!
Hello,
i’m used to be an heavy gamer on linux (yes : Q3, Urban terror, Unreal tournament, gltron and glmame), and the only causes of instabilities were related to agp modules drivers, once I get it work (by just make sur the kernel one was loaded), all instabilities issues were out.
I even used mplayer (-vo gl2 ) to watch divx and it’s just cool (but less faster than xv rendering, i’m still wondering why)…
Of course I’m running nvidia binaries drivers…
by the way, I followed the slashdot post 2 years ago about your demonstration about how xrender performs badly and I wonder if you think it’s possible to introduce some kind of hack : if the card is well supported go to official gl libs if not go to some kind of heavy optimized software gl renderer (I’m sure it’s possible using mmx, altivec on ppc, remenber the software mmx renderer used in the old game Pod, awesome) ? maybe I’m totally wrong and maybe your answer will be “yeah, great, have a look to Mesa 6 and please send me your result once it get totally mmxized”….
Cheers
Djamé
ps : last question : Is Mandrake (your old buddies) still involved into E or into some kind of theming stuff ?
If I may add my own personal thoughts on E..
In a ‘large’ sense, E is for anyone who has a passion for
graphical interfaces – a passion to push the boundaries
and explore limits. In a more restricted sense, E is a body
of work — libs, apps, etc — towards that end.
What that consists of is, ultimately, up to “you”.. It could
be more, less, different, use this or that, etc..
If “you” find E interesting, then take a look at what is
in E’s CVS — many things there could use “your” help..
Join the developer’s mailing list, join #e, work on some
project, etc.., and help to push the boundaries
IMHO the only problem E has is management: the communication with the “outside world” is really really bad: scarce releases, no binaries(?), rarely news on E’s website, you rarely hear something about E (~ half year cycle) on bigger news sites (OSNews, Slashdot,…). I can understand this coder mentality: managing, writing news, creating releases, etc. is boring, coding is exciting – this is true 😉 but this would really boost E: project looks more active + more attention -> more users/developers -> faster development. Give the children their toys!
Currently E seems to be slower than a turtle (for the not involved people) – no offence, i love E and look forward to the day where my desktop is free of bloat, lean, flashy and fluid – This will be the day where my computer will be *enlightened* 😉
“Perhaps it’s time for the linux desktop world to stop reinventing the wheel”
FINALLY SOME ONE REALIZED THIS!