Home > SuSE, openSUSE > SuSE 9.3 Pro Officially Announced SuSE 9.3 Pro Officially Announced Eugenia Loli 2005-03-10 SuSE, openSUSE 36 Comments From a stable and reliable Linux operating system to a complete set of desktop applications—including an office suite, a Web browser, an instant-messaging client, multimedia viewers and graphical software—SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 has it all. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 36 Comments 2005-03-10 7:28 pm The link takes you to a pre-release page. Final product launch in April: “Pre-order the upcoming SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 now to have your copy automatically delivered with the mid-April product launch.” This isn’t the SuSE you are looking for, move along. Move along… 2005-03-10 7:35 pm Minor question. I assume it’s easy to go from 9.1 to 9.2 by simply pulling from a different part of the directory? Without breaking things? 2005-03-10 7:44 pm Mid-April – now that’s more like it. However, it hasn’t been released yet, obviously. Looks like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to me… Anyway, if it matches up to the features page then it should look pretty nice. There also looks to be pretty equal Gnome and KDE support there as well. It looks as though Suse Linux Professional has found a very good market as a proving ground for Novell/Suse’s software and technology, and also as the only desktop Linux distribution that Novell/Suse has that actually sells. I may need reading glasses, but I don’t see Beagle anywhere on that page. 2005-03-10 7:52 pm So there is will only be Professional editions from here on out? No more personal editions? 2005-03-10 7:53 pm So there is will only be Professional editions from here on out? No more personal editions? Certainly doesn’t look like it, which is a pity in many ways. 2005-03-10 8:14 pm Cheers to SUSE for including KDE 3.4 relatively soon. Mandrake probably aims for 3.3 in their next release, and will still have configuration problems. Even though I don’t use SUSE anymore (Building up from a small system instead of building down a big system somehow is easier for me), they always impress with including recent features, like e.g. kde-bluetooth. All the best to them. 2005-03-10 8:14 pm I believe that they moved to a Pro-only sale. Then after a month or so, they release the Personal for free on the net. That’s what they did with 9.2, IIRC. 2005-03-10 8:17 pm Personally I’m glad to see the “personal edition” go. I bought 9.1 personal edition, believing it was the same as the Pro except the commercial software and the fancy manual. Then I discovered it didn’t even include basic stuff like a C compiler, and no easy way of installing it either. The whole package felt like crippleware, like I just had bought a demo version. 2005-03-10 8:18 pm What’s the reason of using Personal Edition? It’s not easier to use/install, nor it’s complete – there’s no dev tools at all! You can’t compile a single thing! IMHO absoutely no reason for existance of such product. 2005-03-10 8:54 pm It does have Xen! Thats GREAT 2005-03-10 8:59 pm Well for example, I’d give a ‘Personal Edition’ to a friend who’s bored of Windows or want to try Linux and definitely doesn’t need to be able to compile anything. There should be such a thing as a ‘Desktop’ for ‘mortal’ users, IMHO, which wouldn’t make people think about what do they need/require and what can they leave out of the 10000 programs/utilities when installing. 2005-03-10 9:07 pm Well, when you install Pro you are suggested a reasonable default, which is pretty lean. Later you might want more. That happened to me almost immediately with my first linux distro, 2005-03-10 9:16 pm Suse is one of my fave distros. Nothing is easier to use as a NIS client (if you’re into that kinda thing.) It’s good stuff. 2005-03-10 9:29 pm “What’s the reason of using Personal Edition?” Half the cost or so. $90 still seems alot for a Linux distro, especially with the shortage of legal codecs and certain other things. Suse is nice, but not that nice. 2005-03-10 9:35 pm They actually released a DVD ISO of SuSE 9.2 _Pro_ for free.. not just personal. It seems that Novell may be going down a similar path with SuSE Pro that Redhat did with Fedora? SuSE Pro is the enthusiast distro, available for free… wheras SLES and NLD are the supported products that carry a pricetag? Just the way it _seems_ to be going from where I am sitting. 2005-03-10 9:39 pm I used the personal editions from 8.0 thru 9.0 and was very happy with them. If you where only after a desktop they where great. 9.1 was the last personal edition and it was crap, it was either free as a download or it was $29.99 boxed. I was really happy they gave 9.1 Pro away for free. 9.2 never had a personal edition but after three months or so became available as a free DVD download, and that was a first for SUSE. Personally I’ve moved to Fedora, $59.95 every six months for the update version is a bit steep. And as far as I can tell it doesn’t include YUM which is something I’ve come to love. 2005-03-10 9:44 pm Does anybody notice, at least in the past, that with Suse free editions, they’re missing some basic libraries, etc. so that when you go to install RPMs you get into dependency hell in no time? 2005-03-10 10:09 pm does it suport Itanium? 2005-03-10 10:13 pm “Does anybody notice, at least in the past, that with Suse free editions, they’re missing some basic libraries, etc. so that when you go to install RPMs you get into dependency hell in no time?” Nothing could be easier to solve: install apt (it takes me less than 5 minutes) and there you go: you have all the Pro apps available plus plenty more: 4869 packages with my sources.list, at the moment: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ 2005-03-10 10:34 pm Any distro that cannot play MP3s out of the box fails as a Desktop OS. And, no, don’t tell me that I should Apt-get it or whatever, “grandma” doesn’t know how to do that. 2005-03-10 10:55 pm well, I run suse 9.2 now, and its nice. easy to install, to change, Yast is cool. but the package management in Yast sucks, thank god (debian?) for Synaptic. But the rpm/dependency hell, that drove me to Debian years ago, is still there… Do I really need to go back to debian, to change config files by hand instead of using Yast, and enjoing all the usabillity changes Suse did to KDE? damn… If suse would start working on suse-debian or something like that!!! 2005-03-10 10:56 pm Any distro that cannot play MP3s out of the box fails as a Desktop OS. And, no, don’t tell me that I should Apt-get it or whatever, “grandma” doesn’t know how to do that. Most grandmas don’t know that they need to play MP3s. Those that do, know how to get it from the net. The software install process of SuSE, or any other linux is much simpler than that in windows. Yet windows have been more than resonably successful as Desktop OS. So the lack of preinstalled MP3 player should not be a problem. 2005-03-10 11:00 pm It doesn’t say if it comes with Gnome 2.10… anyone knows? 2005-03-10 11:11 pm This article says it includes Gnome 2.10 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/10/suse_linux/ 2005-03-11 12:04 am I downloaded and installed SUSE 9.2. It runs great and is a pleasure to use except, IO errors pop up all over the place and programs run or don’t run from one boot to the next. For example I boot up and Firefox and Thunderbird run fine. I leave and boot to my 2nd OS (Windows XP Pro ((Sorry))) when I return to SUSE Firefox will not launch, just the bouncing icon until it dies. Next boot T’bird will not run together with Media player or similar. Very frustrating and seemingly uncurable. This distro needs a lot of work to make it usable on a regular basis. Lots of gee gaws and whistles but lacks stability, pity this release has great promise but it is flawed. 2005-03-11 12:11 am Hopefully this version won’t have a fugly GNOME. Last time I tried SuSE, I cringed at their version of GNOME. It was far from polished in comparison to their version of KDE. 2005-03-11 12:14 am This is just a guess, but I do think the version of Gnome will be just as polished as the KDE. Novell is one of the big supporters of Gnome afterall. 2005-03-11 1:40 am Novell is one of the big supporters of Gnome afterall. You sure about that? SUSE 9.2 had a decent gnome install yet they try to inject instances of KDE every chance they get: suseplugger, yast (yes i know thats a qt prog but still), yast online update, and even kde-su – all in the default setup. i’m sure i’m forgetting about some others too. so, to me, it doesn’t look like novell is really supporting Gnome in SuSE yet, can’t say the same about NLD tho. 2005-03-11 3:24 am SuSE seems to become more and more “ximianised”/”novellised” with every release. The feature list mentions that 9.3 will include F-Spot, which is definitely not what I expected since it is a Ximian/Novell-pushed GNOME app in early stages of development. Therefore, it is a great mistake to think that SuSE supports KDE only, this is not correct. But anyway it is true that SuSE’s GNOME is far from being perfect. They made KDE Help Center the default help viewer even from within GNOME which is a very, very bad idea since it starts up incredibly slowly unless the whole KDE stuff is already up and running. This is not nice at all. It can only be changed from within gconf-editor, I spent hours and hours in forums in order to find that out. I have been using the personal edition for some time and cannot complain about it. In fact, it is very easy to add a mirror of the original ftp repository as a yast installation source. Nobody actually needs apt in order to get the compilers and avoid dependency fiddling at the same time, many people tell that one needs apt in order to resolve dependencies, but this is not correct. I regret the discontinuation of the personal edition because it was a nice offer to those wo want to save money and get a working desktop and the convenience of yast at the same time. The professional edition is quite expensive and the free ftp version comes three months later which is not nice for those who want to have recent packages. By the way, MP3 support is of course included in both the boxed and the freely downloadable versions, do not tell something else, it is plain wrong. 2005-03-11 8:49 am I went from Suse to Gentoo and I’m not coming back, but still Suse is the best distribution for a novice or when I need to set up a running Linux quickly. The desktop in Suse is polished and mature. I hope they keep supporting KDE, is by far the best OSS desktop in existence IMHO. 2005-03-11 8:58 am Suse can _play_ MP3s straight of the box (not sure about the download editions), however it can’t encode them. It can also encode and play OGGs out of the box. 2005-03-11 10:23 am With other distros you simply install libdvdcss and that’s it.With SuSE 9.2 you still couldn’t watch encrypted dvd’s,even if you’re the legally owner of them.I hope this has changed in 9.3 but i doubt it. 2005-03-11 10:41 am i use SUSE 9.1 Pro (evaluation edition). 9.3 may see the first instance of Novell/SUSE recieving my hard earned money. 2005-03-11 11:47 am With 9.2 (&9.1) if you installed the libdecss libraries from packman links any player based on the Xine libs works fine (or at least does for me, YMMV). Before installing libdecss you get a notice informing why DVD playback is included in the release. One problem I had with DVD playback is that the frame rate was really low and movies were jerky. This was because Suse disables DMA from CD/DVD drives by default, changing this means everything works smoothly. (This is my experience of the boxed pro version (not the download version)) 2005-03-11 12:38 pm But the rpm/dependency hell, that drove me to Debian years ago, is still there… Do I really need to go back to debian, to change config files by hand instead of using Yast, and enjoing all the usabillity changes Suse did to KDE? damn… What the (dependency) hell are you talking about? Yast resolves dependencies automatically, and it’s done so for many years. 2005-03-11 4:26 pm > $90 still seems alot for a Linux distro, especially with the shortage of legal codecs and certain other things. I agree. It’s long past time for at least some of the distros to begin licensing codecs. A retail edition “desktop” should play DVDs and all the popular audio types (MP3, Quicktime, Real, and Windows Media) right out of the box.