Mac OS X 10.2.5, now available via Software Update and through the Apple Store, delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, utilities, services, and technologies: Address Book, AirPort, AppleScript, Bluetooth, Classic compatibility, Disk Copy, Disk Utility, Finder, iChat, Image Capture, IP Firewall, Kerberos, Mail, OpenGL, Print Center, Rendezvous, and Sherlock. It also includes improvements to AFP, Web services, dial up connections over PPP, and Windows file services, as well as audio, disc recording, graphics, and printing improvements and USB, FireWire and SCSI device compatibility enhancements. Additionally, version 10.2.5 provides updated security services and includes the latest Security Updates. The CD is priced at US 19.95.
On other Apple news, a re-designed Apple iPod in two new hard drive sizes with control buttons and a docking/charging station will be announced toward the end of April, sources have confirmed to Think Secret. The new models will be available in sizes as high as 30GB. The new design, is shown in a Think Secret artist rendering.
.. that osnews never reports anything but bad stuff about OS X? Faster + improvements + updates = good to me. *shrug*
Someone will spin this off as bad somehow along the lines of “apple sux because there are too many updates lol”. There’s also the “Aww. There goes my uptime.”
It looks good to me too.
look at the price…
That’s why you use Software Update 🙂
Unless, for whatever reason, you are unable to burn it to a CD yourself, or unwilling to do so. Then it’s $20. Yep. Same as it’s been for quite some time now. Same in the Linux world too – download it or get it on a CD for a few bucks.
Someone will spin this off as bad somehow along the lines of “apple sux because there are too many updates lol”. There’s also the “Aww. There goes my uptime.”
To go an entirely different direction with that…
10.3 is supposed to eliminate the need to reboot unless it’s absolutely necessary.
10.3 is supposed to eliminate the need to reboot unless it’s absolutely necessary.
That’s the only time I reboot now …
Grmm, I hope since 10.2.1 that any of the new updates helps with my problems, but I still get dissapointed. Still the problem with the network-card which forgets its IP, after sleep-mode, or replugging the cable. Still Helpview crashes, everytime I call it :-(. Maybe I should reinstall of the stuff, the problem is, I don´t have a computer or HD where I can copy all my data.
Anton
Yup, i only reboot when it’s absolutely necessary too – ie: after software updates!! 🙂
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH, the joy that is OS X
L.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, copying of large files in a windows network is still slow as hell (more than 4 hours for a 600 MB file in a 100 MBit/s network).
Anton
FTP it in instead. It only takes a few seconds.
Here is a good and free FTP server for Windows that works fine with OSX:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla_Server_0_8_3…
Finally a topic the PC rentboys cannot comment on!
Nobody can critical now of us mac users, who could possibly talk about Apple updates other than mac users!
Anyway, i’m still on 10.2.1 and havn’t touched any update since, unless i get some speed out of my system i’m not going to do it. It doesn’t crash as it is so there is very little it could offer.
Unless fellow mac heads can tell me the pluses?
>Unless fellow mac heads can tell me the pluses?
Some software really require the 10.2.4 and above to function, eg. the new iMovie. And you might get speed ups and better responsiveness for places you don’t easily distinguish by just using the OS as a user, eg. the USB stack or the printing stack.
Who needs to carry around that much music???? The 10GB models already can hold about a week of music at around 128KB encoded MP3’s. Above 256KB encoding I don’t see most people being able to discern much of any difference with the headphones. Sure you can use it as a portable HDD, but I was under the impression that you could only use it as a HDD or a MP3 player not both at the same time. Maybe the new model will deal with that issue, but unless you are going to be using it as a portable HDD why would you buy something so big? The current models are expensive enough. How much will the 30GB models be? A: Far more than most people would spend on a portable digital music player.
that your ignorance is reality and applies to everyone? Start by assuming you don’t know what you are talking about and that you are all alone. It’s much safer and less stupid.
I have over 290GB of mp3s at 256K (that I can hear the difference in) that I want to convert to mp4AAC.
I currently have a 10GB iPod that I store about 4GBs of tunes AND a lot of other stuff. Your impression is utterly wrong. You can store whatever you want on the HD with whatever else you want. I would like to double the amount of music I can store, but also include a complete backup OS, so I would like the 30GB model (if this is true).
The prices will probably be very much in line with most product revisions in Apple–i.e. the same or less for the larger capacity. So how much is that? The same as it was selling at when it became the most populat portable digital music player.
They want to sell you something new.
290GB is this right? You have this much music?
Can you give me a printout of your track listings and email me them at [email protected] because i don’t beleive you!
Are you one of these super hubs that the RIAA is hunting for?
I only have 4GB of music and thats alot for me.
But I think it’s a matter of the kind of music I like. Or maybe I’m just crazed.
After being into the typical Classic/Psychadelic/Modern Rock in high school, I got into Jazz, Funk, Blues.
Once you are into Jazz, you have a neverending base of music to collect: for example, and being very rough, I can name about fifteen plus guys who are so good everything they ever recorded is worth owning. And jazz players usually record 30+ albums. I think I have about six hundred jazz albums.
Over the past 3-4 years, I’ve gotten much more into Hip Hop, Rap, Latin music, Reggae etc… I’m still not so deep on the Latin side, but I’ve got about 80 reggae CDs and know of many more that I want to own… The Hip Hop/Rap base that I enjoy is probably the smallest, but I’m not even close to owning everything I want.
I guess I’m a music nut. And no I don’t serve out material to people I don’t know. But with an iPod, a fast 300GB FW HD, CDRW, and my collection, I can and DO make my personal friends very hapy. 😉
Most people were expecting a 10,20,40 lineup, at the following pricepoints
$300 – 10GB
$400 – 20GB
$500 – 40GB
After one whole year, the updates basically boil down to increases of only 50% for the two largest items. Also, not many people are big fans of the new button layout, at least on the MacRumors site. Personally, I’ve been waiting to get a 20GB iPod for awhile now. 20GB seems like overkill (after all, it’s weeks’ worth of continous music), but it’s really not. For $400, you want to be able to store your entire music collection wherever you go. A collection of 100 CDs isn’t atypical for a collector who’s been going at it for several years. That’s more than 10GB at a high quality (256kbps) setting. Again, for $400, I would like to be able to store all that and still have some room for future expansion.
I have had a DATE/TIME problem “1969”. Does this update fix this? I am annoyed by it beacause I have dialup and can’t use a network server sync automatically.
Dan
Funny, i thought i was at OSNews, not OSRumors. Any idea what kind of site Think Secret is…
which is why I’m suspicious of Nick on this one. Toshiba hasn’t produced drives in sizes of 15 and 30 GB…
Something I was considering was much more functionality–maybe these are additional buttons, maybe a fair bit of the capacity is already taken with software on the disk (explaining the discrepency between Nick’s rumor and Toshiba’s real drives)…
But if so, why would the 40 GB version take up 10 GB and the 20 take up only 5? Doesn’t make sense… And that is a lot of software…
However, drive capacity seems to be the major area of focus for the iPod upgrades… which leads me to believe that Apple will expand the functionality past music playing because most (not me) will see diminishing returns from larger and larger drives unless the storage space can be put to other uses…
I would prefer to see a AM/FM transceiver added or a add-in module direct from Apple, or Bluetooth if only for a wireless headset (I know BT transfer rates are no good for moving files)
We’ll soon see… Unfortunately for me I’m going on a trip on the 27th and would love a new iPod if the features were compelling for my vacay, but these are likely to be released on the 28th. (But as I say above–it looks like they won’t be including the features I want so it probably doesn’t matter; what I’d really love to know now is whether older iPods will be flashable so that they can handle files in the AAC format.)
> OS News is a pathetic source for operating system news…
Actually, a lot of good OS news goes up here. If you are really into a specific modern operating system, there is more news than could be put onto a site about all opertaing systems, but especially for older or less popular (read: interesing) operating systems, I and many other people enjoy OSNews.
Nothing else you said is worth, beyond this statement, responding to.
30gb sounds good. I’ve got more than 20gb of music (yes, legal) easily. Sure, I’m never going to listen to it all at once, but it’s nice to have a player which can contain ALL of it…what happens if I have 25gb of music, a 20gb player, and decide I want to listen to something from the 5gb I couldn’t transfer? Have to plug it in, wipe something that’s already on there, and add the thing I want to listen to…such a pain.
What kind of hub are you using for your transfer? I use netgear hubs and I can go alot faster. It sounds like either your Mac or your hub is not sensing full duplex and/or 100MBit operation.
Type “ifconfig en0” at your terminal prompt and be sure your Mac believes it is on a 100Mbit connection w/full duplex settings…
517,597,572 byte file
Src (and it was the client): P4 1.6GHz
Dest: 400MHz G4 Tower/6I32
Transfer rate 6.89MB/s
Or are you talking about the other direction (Mac as the client)?
Instead of using finder, use the command line tools after mounting the winbox… this is better, but I don’t have a spec to give you at the moment…
What price… you don’t need to get it over the live-update either – although I don’t have a Mac, I grabbed the download version last night for my neighbours…
290 GB mp3 means, that with a 10:1 compression = 2900 GB of real WAV data. That equals roughly 4500 CDs. When will you ever listen to that crap? I don’t care how many CDs a Jazz guy bangs out, this can’t be all listened to. A year has like 8000-9000 (?) hours. Half of that time you spend sleeping, etc… Now, 4500 CDs equal 4500 hours of listening as well, but you sure have something favorite amongst your stuff. You got a serious problem…
“You got a serious problem…”
Agreed.
“…that your ignorance is reality and applies to everyone? Start by assuming you don’t know what you are talking about and that you are all alone. It’s much safer and less stupid.”
Ignorance? The original 5GB model could be formatted to hold non-music files, but after it was formatted as an HDD you couldn’t use it as a music player. Maybe the firmware changed in the new units, but I remember using the original units and they couldn’t be an HDD and be a music player at the same time.
“I have over 290GB of mp3s at 256K (that I can hear the difference in)”
290GB? That is about 3 weeks of data even at 256K! Who needs more music than you probably could play before the battery went dead? Also I don’t doubt you can tell the difference at 256K with real speakers, I only doubt that one could tell the difference with the included headphones.
I’ve got an original 5GB model sitting right here. I’ve usually got about 3.5-4gb of music and the odd movie/simpsons episode that i might want to watch at a friends place, as well as contacts and calendars.
As far as i am aware, this was ALWAYS possible. What you are thinking of, i believe, is that when music is uploaded to the iPod in the same way as normal files (ie: not through iTunes), then they cannot be played.
I could be wrong, and maybe this feature came with one of the software updates. But in any case, it doesn’t matter because ALL iPods have been able to do this for at least 6-8 months now…..
…and so, 30gb or even 40 doesn’t sound too rediculous.
What was it Bill Gates once famously said? Something along the lines of “we won’t ever need more than 256k Ram”.
L.
The original 5GB model could be formatted to hold non-music files, but after it was formatted as an HDD you couldn’t use it as a music player. Maybe the firmware changed in the new units, but I remember using the original units and they couldn’t be an HDD and be a music player at the same time.
Having an original 5 gig iPod I can tell you that you always could have music and data on the iPod at the same time. You can even use it as a boot drive, which I do. Instead of having OS9 on my system, I have it on my iPod as a boot drive should I need to use any OS9 installers, AND I still use at as an MP3 player. Was always an option, just most missed it and it wasn’t hyped up much in the marketing.
Anton,
I had the same problem with computers (PC and Mac) losing IP addresses after coming up up from a sleep. It also happened when wireless machines lost connection for a while. I found the problem was my DHCP server would think that machine was gone and reissue the same IP to another machine. The first machine would wake up thinking it still owned the original IP and badness would ensue. I finally had to set it up so that it issued IPs by MAC address of the network card. It’s no longer a problem.
If you want to spare the hassle with the Mac addresses you could also set the time till an IP can be re-issued by the DHCP to another machine to a large value.
“copying of large files in a windows network is still slow as hell (more than 4 hours for a 600 MB file in a 100 MBit/s network)”
there must be something wrong with your ethernet cable or hub/switch.
just last night I drag/droped 3GB of audio data(750+MB sized SDII files) to my win2000 workstation from my iBook running 10.2.4 and it only took about 5 minutes!
this was not over FTP either.
//And no I don’t serve out material to people I don’t know. But with an iPod, a fast 300GB FW HD, CDRW, and my collection, I can and DO make my personal friends very hapy. 😉 //
Oh, so it’s just fine to give away copyrighted material to your buddies, but you’d never give it away to strangers. I see.
Gotta love cultural relativism.
Ethics. Read about ’em.
@SSA – It’s not about how much music you can listen to on a single charge, it’s about holding a large selection on the device at one time. The whole point of these huge devices is to allow you to leave your CDs sitting on your shelf. With such a small, portable machine, who wants to keep syncing with a PC to change the music? For example, if I’m going on a trip for the weekend, do I want to lug my laptop through the airport? Heck no! I want to take my little 6.5 ounce wonder and leave the 8lb mammoth at home.
@Rockwell – It’s called research, I suggest you do some, before spouting off. Sharing CDs with friends and family is not illegal. It’s not legal, either. It’s an untested area of the law. In practice, ever since CDs came out, it’s been informally allowed, if only because you can’t do a whole lot of copying between a few friends. It really wasn’t until P2P came on the scene that the record companies started to worry about large scale copying. As for moral relativism, it’s a good thing. It’s the moral monochromists (extermists and fundementalists everywhere) that are the root of many of the world’s problems. Digital media, in most people’s minds, brings certain conveniences. One of them is that it’s easy to share media among friends. When it is taken too far, it can lead to a loss of revenue for the media companies, but on a limited scale, it simply means that people are getting more enjoyment and use out of the products they have purchased.
personally, i don’t need my entire MP3 collection on my player at one time. I move what I’m in the mood for on/off the iPod as needed.
I only have about 40GB of files. They are all ripped from the original CDs that are upstairs in their cases. With the new TiVo home media option I now have a 400 CD and 300CD Sony ES Changers getting ready to go on eBay.
I use VBR encoding with minimum 112bit max 320bit and it sounds bootiful coming through my Klipsch Reference speakers on my HT
Rayineer kind of already got it. But the reason for having such a large collection on an iPod has nothing to do with continuous playback of every song once before you need to stop at a computer or perform a recharge.
Is that really how you listen to music?
What I want an iPod is to be able to listen to whatever music in whatever way with whoever I want to…
If I’m at a party and people want to hear Hip Hop or Dance or R&B or Reggae music, I can provide it. The whole party, the whole night.
If I want to chill out to ten hours of Jazz at work, I can do it.
If after work I go and hang out with some friends and want to play a cool mix, I can.
If I want to completely mix it up, I can.
If I’m on a train and want to hear an album I haven’t listened to in 10 months, I can.
These are the sort of things I want froma portable music player and they are getting better at fulfilling it.
On the other matter, several others have already put that to bed 5 times over.
My father runs Mac OS X but doesn’t have a cable connection… I’m using a PC at home but I DO have cable connection…
Any way I can download the Mac OS X 10.2.5 update through “Software Update” for him???
Tek_No
I noted above that there is a download version of the update as well.
<p><strong>Tek_No</strong></p><p>Here is the actual link to the <a href=”http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120210&SaveKCWindowU…
“>download version of the update [38.2MB].</p>