OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19574/Gentoo_Linux_2008_0_Beta_1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:24:26 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Features? http://osnews.com/thread?307980 http://osnews.com/thread?307980 Hi:

I have a Gentoo 2007.0 box installed at home and I like a lot this distro.

Anyway, is there some URL where I can find information about what features will this release include? Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ebasconp) Comments RE: Features? http://osnews.com/thread?307982 http://osnews.com/thread?307982 Gentoo's releases, generally speaking, are only updated versions of the installation methods and profiles. If you already have Gentoo installed, then you already have the latest things Gentoo can offer. "Gentoo 2008" won't bring nothing new to you. Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sodki) Comments Comment by dizzey http://osnews.com/thread?307984 http://osnews.com/thread?307984 Just want to point out that gentoo 2008 beta was released
on april 1. =)
that way the release note makes more sense Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dizzey) Comments Old gcc version? http://osnews.com/thread?307991 http://osnews.com/thread?307991 Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable. That seems a bit old, since even Debian stable (that was released a year ago) has gcc version 4.1.1. Maybe the DistroWatch page is not quite up-to-date? Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (da_Chicken) Comments RE: Old gcc version? http://osnews.com/thread?307993 http://osnews.com/thread?307993 Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable. That seems a bit old, since even Debian stable (that was released a year ago) has gcc version 4.1.1. Maybe the DistroWatch page is not quite up-to-date?

Not quite! ;) No, I can't even remember when I used 3.4.6 the last time :3 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments RE: Old gcc version? http://osnews.com/thread?307999 http://osnews.com/thread?307999
Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable.

That's wrong. The stable version is 4.1.2, the unstable version is 4.2.3 and 4.3.0 is also on the tree, for the Indiana Jones type of user.

Check here: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-devel/gcc Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sodki) Comments RE[2]: Old gcc version? http://osnews.com/thread?308014 http://osnews.com/thread?308014 Yeah, I know that the package version tracking for different distros on DistroWatch is automatically generated by some scripts, and sometimes they fail to get the accurate data.

Thanks WereCatf and Sodki for providing more up-to-date info. I thought it would be strange for a source-based distro like Gentoo to use an old version of gcc. ;) Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (da_Chicken) Comments RPM? http://osnews.com/thread?308062 http://osnews.com/thread?308062 I am not in the know about anything new Gentoo.

I installed once upon a time.

What do they mean about superior RPM? Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (John Blink) Comments What about hardened? http://osnews.com/thread?308077 http://osnews.com/thread?308077 I wonder if there is even going to be a hardened profile. I'm a little upset that there seems to be no one working on hardened anymore. There are so many features in the 2.6.24 kernel that I can't take advantage of because a 2.6.24 hardened kernel has yet to be released and it is doubtful that anyone will create another pieworld overlay for gcc 4.3. All I really want from Gentoo are those two things. Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments RE[2]: Old gcc version? http://osnews.com/thread?308079 http://osnews.com/thread?308079 I guess you don't use qemu? Since it compiles only on 3.x...

sorry, had to say it! Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nilkki) Comments RE: RPM? http://osnews.com/thread?308082 http://osnews.com/thread?308082 They are saying it in a sarcastic tone, chris Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (csasso) Comments some shots http://osnews.com/thread?308102 http://osnews.com/thread?308102 http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.p... Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lqsh) Comments RE: some shots http://osnews.com/thread?308270 http://osnews.com/thread?308270 Gentoo doesn't have official screenshots because every user configures his system in a different way. Those screenshots don't mean nothing to me as a Gentoo user. Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sodki) Comments RE[2]: some shots http://osnews.com/thread?308281 http://osnews.com/thread?308281 hahaha. oh really? welcome to the world of unix. Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adapt) Comments RE: some shots http://osnews.com/thread?308357 http://osnews.com/thread?308357 Wow! Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (John Blink) Comments RE: some shots http://osnews.com/thread?308401 http://osnews.com/thread?308401 hi, your comment title is just perfect ;) it's just _some_ pics...

imo. the only important stuff on a gentoo cd is that there is a updated kernel, and NIC drivers for nearly any NIC ;)
All that GUI stuff is just eye-candy in the installation phase, and slows down the boot process:P Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ejdesgaard) Comments superiour package system? http://osnews.com/thread?308419 http://osnews.com/thread?308419 After testing Gentoo for a while, I cannot agree that Gentoo's ebuilds are truly superiour, at least not as long as realiability and robustness are priorities.

ebuilds give you full freedom to shoot yourself into the foot, whenever you want. There seems to be no protection against the removal of packages, which are depended upon by other installed packages. There is no protection against breaking things by updating dependencies to versions, that the dependend packages do not work with. And so forth. In terms of package management this seems to be far behind anything what modern package management systems do.

Well, of course, after wrecking your system you can still run a script which repairs broken dependencies through lengthy tests. But, really, if this is necessary, something essential is wrong.

Of course, the ability to tailor every detail of the system to your needs is tempting, but probably more for hobbyists than for those who rely on functioning systems for their daily work. And the benefit of an 8 hours compilation run for the latest OpenOffice.org over the installation of a binary package which takes not more than two minutes is absolutely marginal and doesn't seem worth the price, taken into account that you will have to repeat this for every single minor bugfix release. Also let's not forget the energy that your computer eats during those daily compilation orgies. Quite the opposite of an eco-friendly OS, it would seem.

Further I was negatively surprised by the outdatedness of Gentoo stable. I thought that it would at least reward the diciples with the latest and greatest of everything, however GNOME was still more than half a year behind and many other packages were also severly outdated. On Debian this isn't a big issue, as you can always do "aptitude --t [unstable,experimental] install {whateveryouwant}, however on Gentoo you have to unlock every single package and do lots of other voodoo to get what you want.

Again, this is probably a great OS for hobbyists, but for professional use, I don't believe that the result is worth the effort it takes. Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yahya) Comments RE: What about hardened? http://osnews.com/thread?308440 http://osnews.com/thread?308440 A 2.6.24 patchset has been finalised and put forward as a candidate for release. For further information:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/216612 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kerframil) Comments RE: superiour package system? http://osnews.com/thread?308515 http://osnews.com/thread?308515 Hi yahya...
I can see your point, but i don't totaly agree...

First of all... if you use 8 hours to compile OOo-2.3 then i suggest that you either update your hardware or use DSL ;)

You talk about the trubble about running a testing system, if you wanna run a complete testing system, then add accept_keywords ~[arch] in make.conf.. that isn't too hard ;)

Since i don't use GNOME, i don't know how often it is updated, but kde-3.5.X and kde-4.0.X is relatively fast in the tree 4.0 as testing tho...

You can't see a gentoo box in a professional enviroment.
imo. if ppl know what they are doing, and wanna know what is on their systems, Gentoo is a good candidate.
But ofc. if you just wanna have some linux box, and are in a hurry, or you don't know mutch about linux, then Gentoo isn't you.

On the eco-friendly part i agree with you. ;)

my conclution... Every *nux is equal, one is just more equal then the others. ;) Edited 2008-04-07 20:37 UTC Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ejdesgaard) Comments