"Sun has purportedly gone out of its way to draw Linux developers to its hardware platform. Analysts even say that Sun has finally made peace with Linux. But if you look at their web site they appear to have a different story to tell as they attempt to build community support for Solaris10. Frankly, we believe Linux beats Sun in so many categories that we don't even have a race. While Sun wants you to 'get the facts' we notice that they persist in comparing Solaris10 to Red Hat's enterprise model. But that's not the only Linux out there."
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Obviously you have not spent a great deal of time with Solaris, because the accepted practice is to mirror the root disk with Solstice DiskSute or Solaris Volume Manager and mirror/RAID 5 other volumes with Veritas Volume Manager (now called Veritas Foundation Suite). SPARC machines do not come with hardware RAID controllers.
External storage (depending on what you purchase) usually does. A Sun A1000, 3310, T3, and 6020 has an internal RAID controller as part of the array. You configure it prior to mounting the disks using a serial console or create/modify/delete volumes using a GUI (depending on product). Then you can use SVM or Foundation Suite in addition to the hardware RAID controller to further modify your RAID setup. Unlike Linux and its LVM and md driver, these products are proven Enterprise grade solutions to storage problems. I am providing some links that might be useful:
http://www.veritas.com/Products/www?c=systemreq&refId=203
Notice that Linux is supported by Veritas.
http://www.cuddletech.com/veritas/index.shtml
Since I guess you use x86 machines you can use the hardware RAID controllers of a HP ProLiant DL360 to manage your volumes rather than using DiskSuite or SVM. I just started working with the DL360's here at work, the only x86 boxes we use are V20z's and HP DL380's running RedHat Enterprise Linux. The vast majority of my work is on SPARC hardware, although at home I have used Solaris x86 since the late 90's.
My advice to you is to actually learn something about Solaris and stop trolling.
Member since:2005-07-07
Really? You should look at Xen/SELinux combo.
Really? Xen is ready for deployment in the production enivroment. Can you name one big corporation using Xen in their data center?
Now, be a good boy and show where did I say that. I said "usable" and specified my usage and personal preference.
I misread your post.
Not even one is prepared to aknowledge near 0% of non-Sun hardware support (drivers for those are mostly buggy, just try almost any adaptec raid card (even some non raid cards), reporting errors like crazy while everywhere else it is working perfectly. And list of buggy drivers goes on and on, adaptec just comes first on my mind since it ate too many of my nerves on Solaris).
Sun doesn't market Solaris as a replacement for windows or your linux flavor du jour. Sun clearly gives you a HCL on what Solaris supports. If the Adaptec card is on the HCL file a bug with Sun.
ZFS can simply be replaced with few other solutions, although I have to admit ZFS provides simpler and more centralised way to do it. Or could you name one actualy usable feature that can't be replaced.
Yes you can replace ZFS feartures with many components. Most of which will cost you an arm and a leg. But no one solution comes close to it's feature set and that too for free. Not to mention the simplicity of it all.
dtrace is only usable for developers (and few system tasks too). But it is not crossplatform and this is why it is unusable for me and alike. Crossplatform is the most important factor in my bussines. Why would I need dtrace, can you point it out for me after hearing my reason why not?
Your statements clearly indicate that you don't manage data centers for a living nor do you understand the mindset of those that do.
When I run a datacenter and something is not working well, I'd rather have the company's support engineers have tools like dtrace than not. Imagine a call to IBM support and Sun support.
IBM: "We'll have to bring the machine down, recompile to kernel with more debugging information and reproduce the problem".
Customer: " What about Systemtrap?"
IBM: "We have only gotten one or two probes working, not ready for deployment"
Customer: "kprobes, dprobes??"
IBM: "sorry not yet ready."
On the Sun side:
Sun: "No problem, a DTrace script should do the trick no need to reboot or do anything special".
Edited 2006-03-01 18:03
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2005-07-07
Selinux aka security enchanced linux is not comparable to Zones/Containers.
Really? You should look at Xen/SELinux combo.
Solaris 10 has most of the features from trusted Solaris. That puts Soalris 10 on par if not at a better security feature set than SElinux.
But not worster? Damn, Sun logic again, can't be worster, only better or equal in your equation. Do you do some dick security measuring others don't know about (aka. pissing contest) or what? Hell, Windows are better on some topics than others. OSX has some better points than others. Linux has them too, and so do all others. Each one has his strong/weak points. But, for a Solaris fan to acknowledge simple fact, that Solaris is "just really good", but not "best everywhere" would probably be too much.
And if you haven't noticed, author of the article was pissed about the same thing. And so are many others.
The rest of your "I am on my OpenSource high horse" attitude laden comments don't deserve a response.
I could say the "I'm a Solaris die hard" for yours, but unfortunately I can't because you're not. You at least succed to be distantly Solaris-only centric.
Xen is "more stable", really?
Now, be a good boy and show where did I say that. I said "usable" and specified my usage and personal preference.
I merely wanted to point out that you don't know anything of which you speak. Also that you are arguing for the sake of argument.
[sarcasm]Yeah, that's it.[/sarcasm] In truth, I'm just sick of "ZFS, zones, dtrace" comments. Solaris die hards are posting them everywhere, not even looking if it is relevant for that topic (like for example Nexenta). You (as in usual posts Solaris zealots post, can't say that about your post) just sound like bad PR.
Not even one is prepared to aknowledge that runing trough brandz is like runing with wine. (although with better results, but still way from a real thing)
Not even one is prepared to aknowledge near 0% of non-Sun hardware support (drivers for those are mostly buggy, just try almost any adaptec raid card (even some non raid cards), reporting errors like crazy while everywhere else it is working perfectly. And list of buggy drivers goes on and on, adaptec just comes first on my mind since it ate too many of my nerves on Solaris).
ZFS can simply be replaced with few other solutions, although I have to admit ZFS provides simpler and more centralised way to do it. Or could you name one actualy usable feature that can't be replaced. Hope you don't plan to throw in raidz. There is a hardware raid, you know and some of us don't use software raid solutions ( I'm throwing this in just as Robert Escue throw in that he uses SPARC and he doesn't care about others, which pissed me off if you didn't noticed. I could simply say "I don't need Solaris since I don't use SPARC, Solaris sucks on others anyway", but I choose more painful way instead of just being trollish).
dtrace is only usable for developers (and few system tasks too). But it is not crossplatform and this is why it is unusable for me and alike. Crossplatform is the most important factor in my bussines. Why would I need dtrace, can you point it out for me after hearing my reason why not?
Zones I don't need as I specified (and said why, and I think clearly enough), I use Xen which suits me better. But as soon as Solaris gets Xen support I plan to use it there too.
Java won't change the face of earth. .Net is simply better (yes, I do .Net too, except that I'm constrained to Mono). This one "I am on my OpenSource high horse" sleeps with the devil too.
And I for one am prepared to acknowledge where Solaris, Linux, Windows or OSX is better. If you'd go trough my posts you'd notice that I don't just blindly preffer my personal preference, bussines first (the worst thing in bussines you can do is banging your head against the wall to proove your thing and the only results you get after are complaints). And this is something I simply can't expect from any Solaris diehard according to my current knowing of Solaris community (in fact in this term, only some Linux and MS devels were straightforward enough so far, but so far I'm still looking for one single Solaris or NetBSD person that would fit this description). Most of the the Solaris fans posts sound just like broken record "zfs rules..., brandz rocks..., zones are great..., opensolaris..., rbac rules..., zfs rules..."
Edited 2006-03-01 03:51