Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 11th Mar 2006 21:26 UTC, submitted by Maarten Vanheuverswyn
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The 5th preview release of Ubuntu Dapper Drake is out on the mirrors. As usual, there are both install and live CD's for PowerPC, x86, and x86-64. "We are now in the final stages of Dapper Drake development. Everything is stabilizing, and Ubuntu 6.04 will certainly be a top-notch professional OS. Now that all of the lower level improvements have been made, it is time to close the hood and rub on a coat of wax. With Flight 5 comes a new and improved Human look-and-feel, a few new GUI power tools, and much more." Update: Screenshot tour.
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RE[2]: What makes Ubuntu better?
by Joe User on Sat 11th Mar 2006 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE: What makes Ubuntu better?"
Joe User
Member since:
2005-06-29

I prefer the debian universe over the rpm universe

Why?

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peterm Member since:
2006-03-10

I prefer the debian universe over the rpm universe

Why?


Don't know ;) I have it the same way. I left RPM-world a few years ago in frustration and never looked back. Debian-world have never let me down.

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Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

I left RPM-world a few years ago in frustration

What frustrated you? Did the system break?

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leech Member since:
2006-01-10

I can answer to why someone would like Debian packages over RPMs. I have had RPM databases become corrupted several times. Debian packages are far more friendly to third part repositories, with third party RPMs a lot of times it will totally hose your system, and since Debian in general has a ton more packages, you only need a few from third party repositories in general.

Leech

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

RPM has a lot more overrides, and it doesn't tell you later you're stupid for having used them.
Dpkg will constantly tell you its broken and you need to remove that package you overrode it on before it'll install new packages. This is why I hate deb's. I'll take rpm over deb any day of the week, it's a far more flexible system.

And yes, you can hose your system with a bad rpm. That's why I like it!

But Ubuntu is aimed at inexperienced users as much as experienced once. So deb is likely a much better choice. There also aren't nearly so many bad debs out there as the debian repo's have long been the most complete.

That's why I like RPM over deb. And for the record, I like a good slackware tarball even better ;) . But my favourite package format has been arch's. Pacman isn't terribly robust, but oh well, it also doesn't think it's smarter than me!

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dark child Member since:
2005-12-09


I can answer to why someone would like Debian packages over RPMs. I have had RPM databases become corrupted several times. Debian packages are far more friendly to third part repositories, with third party RPMs a lot of times it will totally hose your system, and since Debian in general has a ton more packages, you only need a few from third party repositories in general.


If you install an rpm not meant for you distro then of course your system can get hosed. Remember that most Debian based distros use the same base, but many rpm based distros are completely independent entities.

Also Debian users are not immune from having their systems hosed by third party repositories. It just depends on the quality of packages and the amount of testing that they have gone through.

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ryan Member since:
2005-07-06

To directly your question, I've had experience with several RPM distributions (mandrake, redhat and derivs, suse) and found that the software availability in official repositories was quite limited, and were forced to install .RPMs from packages provided by the official application distributers. The quality of these packages was uneven, tracking down the package dependencies was annoying and frustrating, and sometimes the .RPM was not available in the flavour I wanted.

With debian-derived distros, you have a huge repository of applications that work and are available either via the command like or a nice simple GUI. It's true that you don't always have the most recent packages available that way, but for my tastes the benefits outweigh the negatives. For people with other preferences I can certainly understand why they'd disagree with my choice.

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dark child Member since:
2005-12-09


I've had experience with several RPM distributions (mandrake, redhat and derivs, suse) and found that the software availability in official repositories was quite limited, and were forced to install .RPMs from packages provided by the official application distributers

Mandirva has 12000+ packages in its official repositories and there are a few third party repos that provide stuff that can't be shipped with most Linux distros. Suse is the same, it has lots of packages in its official repos (including commercial apps). To say that the number of packages are limited is wrong in my opinion.

Many Debian users profess about how easy apt makes life, but they forget that apt and synaptic also work on rpm based distros so apt is no longer exclusive to Debian and derivatives. Package managers like yum and urpmi are also just as good as apt and they have nice gui interfaces.

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