Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 12:02 UTC, submitted by SilentBob4
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu MadPenguin takes a look at Flight 5 of Ubuntu Dapper, and concludes: "All in all, Ubuntu 6.06 is gearing up to be quite an impressive release. Granted, I saw some bugs during my stay on the distribution, but can I really complain? It's not a full release, so it deserves some breathing room. Considering some of the horribly authored software I've looked at over the years, I feel that Ubuntu in pre-release form is more stable than other distros when they reach final release status. It's not quite in the league of Slackware and Red Hat/Fedora in that respect yet, but it's surely getting there in a hurry."
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RE[2]: With a price
by somebody on Mon 17th Apr 2006 18:44 UTC in reply to "RE: With a price"
somebody
Member since:
2005-07-07

Mac OS X 10.4.3
Usability: 9/10
Cool factor: 10/10 (6/10 after novelty wears off)[/i]

Usability of OSX 9/10?

Guess your OSX is different than mine. Mine goes to -1/10 and -1/10.
Coolness? Why would one need that?

And it is not c00l. The only way you can be c00l with your OS is custom build setup or when your hardware is too expensive for 99.9% of mortals. When was standard look ever c00l? How else can one get their g33k friends to put up and shut up. With "look my flashy photo icon" maybe?

Call me after OSX gets half decent terminal. Not even one is getting close (I tried at least 10 of them on my G5). Or half decent configurable desktop.

Things that suck on Mac for me so far.
- development. If you do crossplatform development, Cocoa is not worth anything. Developing with anything else is just too alienated.
- terminal. Still waiting for at least usable one.
- browsing. Damn slow on my G5.
- having a lot of windows on desktop. I know some share/freeware enables you to have virtual desktops, but both I tried so far are just lame hacks.
- office? But that's me. I don't use MS one and OO.o is too alienated on OSX.
- non configurable window manager
- mailing. Mail.app is not even near to usable mailing app.
- iCal sucks when you try to use non-Apple calendar server
- Multimonitor setup. Get a life. Apple does not give frequent mouse user discounts. Menu on one monitor always. Yep, my try to use two 24" monitors was lasting about 10 minutes. Then my nerves couldn't stand no more abuse.

Need more? I've got as much of them as you want.

Ubuntu 4.6
Usability: 6/10
Cool factor: 1/10


Actualy Ubuntu is more usable than OSX. And no I don't need Photoshop, Dreamweaver... But then again, it seems like Mac users don't either. CS3 for Intel (Dreamweaver even later) is postponed for the next second half of the next year, and running trough Rosetta is much worster than running Windows based app trough Wine (you loose a lot more performance with Rosetta). So, one can just imagine Mac users start praising Wine for OSX now.

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RE[3]: With a price
by rattaro on Mon 17th Apr 2006 19:27 in reply to "RE[2]: With a price"
rattaro Member since:
2005-08-22

I think OSX and Ubuntu are for different audiences, so I don't think direct subjective comparisons are really valid. OSX only runs (legally) on Apple hardware, and you need 1 license per computer. Ubuntu runs on almost all x86 computers (other platforms are supported as well), and you can install on all the computers you need. It's ok to compare features to see what you like better (very subjective by nature). But at the same time, if you like choice and freedom, you are not in OSX's target audience, and if you prefer highly integrated specific hardware with your software, you aren't in Ubuntu's target audience either.

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RE[4]: With a price
by Omega Penguin on Mon 17th Apr 2006 20:37 in reply to "RE[3]: With a price"
Omega Penguin Member since:
2006-02-12

The price of Ubuntu is no tech support besides online.However,in most other respects Ubuntu is a strong contender for Mac OS X.Well,at least Tiger,not sure how it will fare against Leopard.

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RE[4]: With a price
by somebody on Mon 17th Apr 2006 21:22 in reply to "RE[3]: With a price"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

It's ok to compare features to see what you like better (very subjective by nature).

I wasn't comparing which I like better. My comparisson was based on comparing USABLE/UNUSABLE for serious use.

Most of the functions I was bashing are completely unusable from the point of serious use. Might suffice for non-serious user, maybe, but not for serious one.

Either that or you're just saying that Mail.app is serious mailing application and Terminal.app with all his deficiencies is best terminal ever:) It is not getting there even remotely. Even thunderbird is not there yet. Probably the only serious mail apps are Outlook and Evolution.

But at the same time, if you like choice and freedom, you are not in OSX's target audience, and if you prefer highly integrated specific hardware with your software, you aren't in Ubuntu's target audience either.

I like choice and freedom, but I also prefer highly integrated specific hardware with my software. So... after buying a 100% supported machine I have a lot less trouble with my Opterons (bought after following HCL and except two liner for NVidia, worked out of the base install) than with my only G5 in case of software being integrated with hardware. And why is too integrated with hardware bad? Read next:)

This time all my bought software will go down the drain when I'll be updating G5. Since (or better IF, and I doubt that more and more) I'll be updating to Intel next year sometimes I doubt that even one software will make a crossgrade or upgrade even remotely possible. Talk about tight integration, too tight for my opinion or better said too expensive. It is probably cheaper to drop my Mac supporting needs and focus on Windows/*X only (OSX is not *X in my viewpoint, so take this as my personal opinion which is valid as expressed for me only), and it simplifies my coding since I don't need to test and adapt on OSX anymore. I would maybe suffer if I would be dropping Windows support, but dropping OSX I probably won't even notice except having a lot more time for other things.

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