Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd May 2006 17:43 UTC, submitted by anonymous
GNU, GPL, Open Source After Kororaa announced its GPL problems and me writing a column about it, the people behind Kororaa have now posted an in-depth follow-up: "I have been receiving lots of information which I have been sorting through, thank you to everyone who has emailed me (although I would have also thanked you personally via email). I contacted both ATI and nVidia for some clarification on particular issues, however neither have answered my questions. Nevertheless, this is what I have found so far."
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The accuse those who break the law
by Moulinneuf on Mon 22nd May 2006 19:31 UTC in reply to "Why pick on the little guy"
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

GPL violation is not picking on anyone , its enforcing the license in use by the software , *IF* ( emphasis on the IF ) the distributor as broken the license.

"PCLinuxOS, Mandriva etc ship with nvidia drivers."

Yes , but thats not a GPL violation , he must be doing something different then PCLinuxOS and Mandriva , with the driver. I personnaly dont know the details , but I think it as to do with making the NVDIA and ATI driver module inside the kernel directly , again only guessing here , because frankly so far , he is the only one making any noise about it and is details are always incomplete.

"It seems a little bit unfair"

IF he break the license its is action that are unfair.

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manjabes Member since:
2005-08-27

Yes , but thats not a GPL violation , he must be doing something different then PCLinuxOS and Mandriva , with the driver. I personnaly dont know the details,

But if a kernel developer says he is doing something bad then he certainly must be. No-one may doubt anything the kernel developers say 'cause the kernel is released under the almighty GPL. And despite that Chris quite convincingly proves that very likely he isn't doing anything illegal or in violation of the GPL, when the kernel developers say he is bad, then he IS BAD. Right?

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"But if a kernel developer says he is doing something bad then he certainly must be."

No , Kernel developper are software programmer and not lawyer or judge and certainly not from the FSF. They can be wrong on License and legal issue ( just look at LT the champion of all Legal mistakes ), He as to verify the authenticity of the accusation first , he seem to be running to the people who have zero knowledge and jurisdiction over it and get advice over email over the net.

"No-one may doubt anything the kernel developers say 'cause the kernel is released under the almighty GPL."

Please keep your bulshit to yourself , kernel developper are human , they tend to make just as much mistake if not more then anyone else. Its a case by case situation.

"And despite that ... of the GPL"

Chris dont prove anything beside that he can run around like a chicken with no head , He is accused of GPL violation ( by who ? nobody is even fully certain its really the case ) , the first thing he should do is consult with the FSF to see if its true , if it is ask how he can be made to comply with it. No one else seem to be running in GPL violation beside him.

"when the kernel developers say he is bad, then he IS BAD. Right?"

Can you make a more stupid logical comment ? I dare you , I am sure you can.

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"Yes , but thats not a GPL violation , he must be doing something different then PCLinuxOS and Mandriva , with the driver. "

Actually he is doing something different. He is sending it out already compiled to run with the kernel. The other distros all send the Nvidia package, but it is not compiled against the kernel until installation, making it a different story on it. What is in question is not that he is shipping the modules, but rather they are already compiled to work.

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Then clearly , he is shipping proprietary software linked and *inside* GPL one.

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Actually I think he's not doing anything substantively different from what Mandriva and PCLinuxOS and others do (exluding Ubuntu which makes the nvidia driver a download).
Maybe Mandriva gets away with it by putting it on a different disc; they do ship on 5 discs I believe. Or this could just be the first project whomever decided to pick on because he believes it's a serious problem and needs to be addressed immediately.

Right now though people who are freaking out are freaking out over:
1.) One guy sending an e-mail.
2.) Another posting said e-mail and asking for thoughts.
3.) Thoughtful responses, combined with psychotic ravings occasionally, from the community.

To be upset about the way this is proceeding is a bit ridiculous.

It's my strongly held theory though that they aren't really angry about this situation. But they are in fact angry, for some other reasons, about the existance and popularity of the GPL and are using this to promote their spite for said license.

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vikramsharma Member since:
2005-07-06

What I don't understand is people want us the uphold the law and ignore the purpose for which the law was written/implemented. Now it would make sense to most people that proprietary hardware would require proprietary driver for it to work properly, preferably by the same hardware company. Now if that company chooses to not open source their driver that upto the company as long they make drivers, why do we want to force corporates to follow our ideals. Any law for that matter is not more important than the purpose it serves be it GPL or BSD licensing or any law in general. What has happened here with Kororaa is very sad, the law is serving against the purpose it was designed for atleast in this case.

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