Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Jul 2006 21:16 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Canonical's Ubuntu 6.06 LTS is an excellent Linux-based operating system - so excellent, in fact, that it not only earned eWEEK Labs' Analyst's Choice designation but has also become our clear favorite among Linux desktop distributions. This latest Ubuntu release, which became available in June, has won our ardor with a tight focus on desktop usability; an extremely active, helpful and organized user community; and a software installation and management framework that's unsurpassed on any OS platform."
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RE[2]: Oh... my... God....
by djst on Thu 20th Jul 2006 08:44 UTC in reply to "Oh... my... God...."
djst
Member since:
2005-08-07

Do you really call this an article? I would call it "free advertising". The "article" lacks any proof that Ubuntu is better than other distros. No real comparisions, no evaluation done by normal users and a general lack of technical knowledge by the reviewers.

You want proof and comparisons? I can only provide you with the little things, but if you sum things up, it makes a huge difference:

1) On the two Dell laptops I've installed Linux on, Ubuntu has been the only distro that automatically configures the dedicated sound volume buttons to work out of the box. OpenSuSE couldn't, and neither could the latest beta of Freespire I downloaded a couple of days ago.

2) Similar to the point above: Ubuntu is the only distro that configured the touch pad to support scrolling out of the box.

3) This may be specific to Freespire, but since that's the latest distro I have to compare Ubuntu with, it's definitely a huge step backwards that I saw no out of the box support for hibernation and suspend to RAM. Ubuntu automatically presents me with these options when shutting down the computer.

4) Finally (and this is strictly my personal opinion), I'd choose Gnome >=2.14.x over KDE >=3.x any day. I admit I'm very curious about KDE 4, but until that happens, Gnome will simply be superior in terms of pure simplicity and sleek usability. There's countless of small things annoying me in KDE, but that's off topic so I won't go there. But the point is, the fact that Ubuntu chose Gnome as their DE made me like it so much more. That Canonical is spending time and money improving Gnome even further doesn't make things worse either.

Ubuntu has a level of quality approaching that of commercial OSes.

Edited 2006-07-20 08:46

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RE[3]: Oh... my... God....
by archiesteel on Thu 20th Jul 2006 16:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh... my... God...."
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

But the point is, the fact that Ubuntu chose Gnome as their DE made me like it so much more. That Canonical is spending time and money improving Gnome even further doesn't make things worse either.

I believe you are mistaken here. Ubuntu hasn't chosen Gnome as their DE - they offer both DEs (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) and the latest word from Shuttleworth is that efforts should go into improving Kubuntu (which is already quite good).

I admit I'm very curious about KDE 4, but until that happens, Gnome will simply be superior in terms of pure simplicity and sleek usability.

That's your personal preference, of course, and not a matter of fact (and you noted this). Myself, I prefer KDE and find it more usable, but both DEs are great and I think it's a very good thing that Ubuntu comes in both flavors (and Xubuntu as well).

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RE[4]: Oh... my... God....
by djst on Thu 20th Jul 2006 16:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh... my... God...."
djst Member since:
2005-08-07

I believe you are mistaken here. Ubuntu hasn't chosen Gnome as their DE - they offer both DEs (Ubuntu and Kubuntu)

I said Ubuntu, didn't I? I'm not talking about Kubuntu.

I admit I'm very curious about KDE 4, but until that happens, Gnome will simply be superior in terms of pure simplicity and sleek usability.

That's your personal preference, of course, and not a matter of fact (and you noted this). Myself, I prefer KDE and find it more usable, but both DEs are great and I think it's a very good thing that Ubuntu comes in both flavors (and Xubuntu as well).

Yes, that's my personal opinion. But I agree 100% that offering different flavors is a good thing.

The thing I was trying to prove in my previous post wasn't that I prefer Gnome over KDE. The original author of the "Oh... my... God...." post asked for proof where Ubuntu is better than the rest, and I provided him with some measurable facts like the extra keyboard buttons working out of the box. Maybe I should just have skipped the last point, as it was purely my personal opinon.

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RE[3]: Oh... my... God....
by segedunum on Thu 20th Jul 2006 20:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh... my... God...."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Gnome will simply be superior in terms of pure simplicity and sleek usability.

Having used Ubuntu and Gnome for several weeks, I'm afraid it's quality compared to other distros, and KDE based ones, is greatly exaggerated. The wireless GUI doesn't even have options for WPA, which makes it pretty useless on the widespread G networks these days - that's an Ubuntu issue there though, and is the merest tip of an iceberg.

I find more than ever that the 'simplicity and usability' argument is used as an excuse for not putting things into Gnome that end up being required, either by ordinary users or system administrators. Withdrawing options from the print dialogue is one, and it has an awful and extremely inconsistent habit of trying to make many dialogues 'simple'.

For example, Gnome's system preferences are put together as a series of small dialogues rather than as part of a coherent and functioning whole. Each dialogue has a 'Close' button on it. OK, I've changed some settings but I just want to cancel and exit, leaving everything as before. Does the close button do this? Nope. It saves everything. Does using the close icon in the top right cancel and exit? Nope. Stumped.

Worse, some dialogues like the desktop background one simply have a 'Finish' button with a green tick that looks like it was pulled off a fifteen year old VB application. Some dialogues like SCIM have an OK/Quit button combo to come out, as does the date/time one. The theme dialogue together with the menu and toolbar dialogue also offer no preview whatsoever of what your desktop and apps will look like, as Windows and certainly KDE do. Good God, it really makes me appreciative of the functionality of KDE's Control Centre. All it needs is some better organisation - and that's probably the easy bit!

The 'Assistive Technologies' dialogue, again has the close button problem, but it then has a button for 'Close and Logout'. Well, why would I want to close and logout? Yes, I know that it says that I need to logout for it to take effect in a text label above, but who reads a text label unless you need to? A better way would have been for me to confirm and exit through an 'OK' button, and then for a dialogue to inform me that I needed to log out and log back in for these changes to take effect. I would then actually be able to read about what I need to do and then click Yes or No accordingly as to whether I wanted to log out right now or not.

Seriously. I am absolutely flabbergasted that no 'usability expert' (and I use that term in its broadest possible sense after the past few weeks) has picked up on this.

I mean, seriously. Is it just not possible to develop a half-decent user interface in this desktop environment? Every single graphical window within Gnome consists of a handful of UI elements, providing you with very limited functionality when compared with other desktop environments. I mean, you can knock those interfaces up in absolutely no time in Visual Basic or Qt Designer.

And these are just the obvious things off the top of my head. Dragging a window around in Gnome is excruciating and you seem to lose both side portions of a window and your desktop icons underneath when you do it. Open the system monitor and try scrolling through the list box of processes and watch thing fall over itself when it tries to keep up. The system monitor also helpfully tells me that the system monitor itself takes up at least 10% CPU time without it doing anything. Funny. I don't recall Windows' Task Manager or KDE's System Guard doing that.

Having used Ubuntu and Gnome for several weeks as a desktop, I never cease to be amazed by how utterly limited it is, and I struggle to believe that this is the enterprise and corporate desktop people shout from the rooftops about.

Ubuntu has a level of quality approaching that of commercial OSes.

From what I've seen, I find that highly debatable at best.

Edited 2006-07-20 20:43

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RE[4]: Oh... my... God....
by Nathan on Fri 21st Jul 2006 21:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Oh... my... God...."
Nathan Member since:
2006-01-10

"For example, Gnome's system preferences are put together as a series of small dialogues rather than as part of a coherent and functioning whole."

Ubuntu has a level of quality approaching that of commercial OSes.

"From what I've seen, I find that highly debatable at best."


Your initial arguments dont support your conclusion. Its biggest competitor, Windows control panel, is also a series of small dialogues - often times bearing no similarites whatsoever.

That's not to defend GNOME particularly, the control area could be better, but in comparison to the popular OS you can't honestly say they are behind in terms of design.

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