Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:05 UTC, submitted by jcpinto
Linspire Starting today, Linspire does not only offer a free OS, but also its CNR Basic service. " Linspire, Inc., developer of the commercial desktop Linux operating system of the same name and Freespire, the free community desktop Linux operating system, announced the immediate change in pricing for its popular CNR Service from an annual subscription fee based offering to a completely free service." CEO Carmony said: "We're thrilled to now be in a position to offer this excellent service to desktop Linux users absolutely free. CNR really makes using desktop Linux easy, and we want everyone to have access to this quality service."
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Pfff....
by maxx_730 on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:18 UTC
maxx_730
Member since:
2005-12-14

So this was the big announcement (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Main_Page) they got everyone all hyped up about? What a disappointment. CNR really isnt any better then gnome-app-install.

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RE: Pfff....
by twenex on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:27 in reply to "Pfff...."
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Linspire's marketing hype is even worse than Ubuntu's. In fact it's probably this that makes it the closest thing to Microsoft in the Linux world. (e.g. complaints about "apt-get" being a "commandline application - has that user been living under a *rock* for four years or has he just managed to somehow go deaf anytime anyone mentions Synaptic?)

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RE[2]: Pfff....
by jcpinto on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:52 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
jcpinto Member since:
2006-08-30

Actually, apt-get is just a command line tool and synaptic a front-end for that. While apt-get and synaptic are great tools, so is CNR and by being free it's another choice for new (or not so new) linux users. I think choice is always good.

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RE: Pfff....
by w00dst0ck on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:47 in reply to "Pfff...."
w00dst0ck Member since:
2006-02-01

Actually, i think its just another front end to apt-get... since Linspire is based on Debian... if i remember correctly...

That was something that always bothered me, was how they tried to market CNR as something on Linspire was able of doing... almost as if they invented the easy to install package manager (dpkg)

Oh well...

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RE: Pfff....
by KevinCarmony on Wed 30th Aug 2006 18:25 in reply to "Pfff...."
KevinCarmony Member since:
2006-07-17

So this was the big announcement (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Main_Page) they got everyone all hyped up about? What a disappointment.

This IS big news to Freespire users. I didn't make the post you were referring to anywhere but on the Freespire site. I certainly don't expect everyone to think this is big news, but to our users it's huge. They can now offer an easy-to-use, turn-key desktop Linux to their non-technical friends at no cost. We think that's a good thing.

CNR really isnt any better then gnome-app-install.

I have to wonder if you've ever even tried it. CNR does a lot of things no other installation system does.

http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/CNR_Warehouse#How_is_CNR_differ...

Linspire's marketing hype is even worse than Ubuntu's.

If you find a strong, excited, supportive community and lots of users "marketing hype," then I guess you're write about Ubuntu. Just sounds like someone is jealous of them for their success to me. I haven't seen much marketing hype from Ubuntu, just solid work, leading to a lot of users and support.

first signs of a company in trouble is when they start making everything they used to charge for, free.

Yea, it really has been killing Google, MySpace and Craigslist. =)

Linspire is more successful that it's ever been. We had been losing about $10M annually, but that number has now dropped to nearly zero, approaching break even at anytime.

Actually, i think its just another front end to apt-get... since Linspire is based on Debian... if i remember correctly...

Far from it... http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/CNR_Warehouse#How_is_CNR_differ...

The day my mother starts using Synaptic or apt-get is the day I'll start saying they're the same. =)

I do feel that they have a right to have their own package manager. I think it was a 'recreate the wheel' instead of just improving but whats done is done and let us hope in the future they will consider other options.

We do not have our own package manager. We use .deb, just like apt. What we have is a different way of serving those deb's up. CNR is open sourced, so I'd say that IS improving on an existing system.

Kudos, Kevin Carmony, and the rest of you guys that make Linux accessible to those people who don't have a guru handy to help them!

Thank you.

I've NEVER had a person sit down with me, let me demonstrate Linspire, Freespire, CNR, explain our OEM strategy, etc., and them not walk away feeling very good about what we're doing. Unfortunately, not everyone takes the time to look beyond the FUD. As CEO I do what I can, even posting in forums like OSNew. =)

Kevin Carmony
CEO, Linspire, Inc.

Edited 2006-08-30 18:40

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RE[2]: Pfff....
by maxx_730 on Wed 30th Aug 2006 18:52 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
maxx_730 Member since:
2005-12-14

This is what you claimed on your website:
Linspire promised a HUGE announcement this week that will affect the Freespire project significantly. This announcement is bigger than anything we have ever done to date, or perhaps will do for some time to come. This news is significant not just to the Freespire project, but we believe, to the advancement of desktop Linux in general. Visit our forum for the big news and to discuss it with others.
I'm sorry, but i (and i can imagine many others) just don't see the release CNR as OSS as big as you've suggested in your announcement, and yes ive tried it. I also don't like about this that you've posted this mysteriously on the freespire wiki and then left forum users figure out what it was. Thats what i call (excuse the language) attention whoring. Also why do you keep comparing CNR to Synaptic? You KNOW Synaptic is one of the less simple frontends to apt-get and you KNOW that there are much better frontends like for example gnome-app-install.

Ps: dont get me wrong though, i liked that you opensourced CNR (one less piece of proprietary softwarte in the world ;) ), and i like that Linspire contributes back a lot to the OSS community, i just dont like how this announcement was IMO overhyped.

Edited 2006-08-30 18:56

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by deanlinkous on Wed 30th Aug 2006 19:02 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
deanlinkous Member since:
2006-06-19

"We do not have our own package manager. We use .deb, just like apt. What we have is a different way of serving those deb's up. CNR is open sourced, so I'd say that IS improving on an existing system. "

.deb is a package format

I consider CNR to be a package manager, similar to other software we consider package managers. Nothing of what I said was negative just a hope that you guys look to improve a project instead of starting a new one.

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by h3rman on Wed 30th Aug 2006 19:37 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

Interesting to see the Linspire CEO post here.
Now that I have the chance, could I take this opportunity to ask you something?
I have the impression that Linspire is a lot bigger in North America than it is here in Europe (correct me if I'm wrong).
Do you think someday you might be selling complete systems in Europe? It might take a little investing in PR, but I definitely think people are ready for it. Macs are getting more popular, and people start realising there doesn't have to be an OS monopoly on PCs.

Why don't you launch, say, a bright yellow, XGL/Compiz ready Linspire laptop or something, instead of the eternal greyish boredom out there? And instead of the over-2500 dollars Lenovo SLED laptop (Linux is for the rich?). People are looking for something different, and most hardware makers are afraid to offer it to them. I'll be spreading the word here in Rotterdam for you for free. And I even use Gnome. ;)

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RE[2]: Pfff....
by w00dst0ck on Wed 30th Aug 2006 20:07 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
w00dst0ck Member since:
2006-02-01

I stand corrected my good sir.

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by HappyGod on Thu 31st Aug 2006 01:23 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

First let me say that it's great to see people such as yourself posting on OSNews - good stuff.

Now, I was wondering how you are going to continue to provide the proprietary stuff (like DVD, MP3 Players) on CNR now that you are no longer charging for it?

Edited 2006-08-31 01:24

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by ThrowAway on Thu 31st Aug 2006 13:03 in reply to "RE: Pfff...."
ThrowAway Member since:
2006-08-31

"you're write about Ubuntu"

right or correct but not "write"

using text to speech software?

(Moderators go ahead and delete this comment if he corrects his spelling)

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RE: Pfff....
by Sabon on Wed 30th Aug 2006 19:12 in reply to "Pfff...."
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

You've obviously never used CNR.

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RE: Pfff....
by deanlinkous on Wed 30th Aug 2006 19:19 in reply to "Pfff...."
deanlinkous Member since:
2006-06-19

I am sure they will respond with plenty of heat...I will take another route and simply say this. CNR may not be better, but it could be another choice for those that want it. It is a big announcement for numerous reasons - from linspire finally doing what I consider to be the "right" thing, to something that has for years costed money and is now free, to this becoming a open source program. All of those are fairly remarkable. For those that are not interested then of course it isn't as important but that would be normal in any situation.

It does offer advantages to gnome-app-install as well as IMO some disadvantages. Either way it is as much news as other things we discuss. ;)

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