Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Sep 2006 21:50 UTC
Windows Microsoft's Windows Vista RC 1 is done. Now it's up to the estimated 6 million testers to which the company is planning to release the code to determine if it really is ready for prime time. Microsoft has posted the RC 1 build, Number 5600, on its TechBeta Web sites for select technical beta testers, including TAP partners, on September 1. Microsoft is planning to broaden the beta to include up to six million participants, total, some time next week, according to industry sources. Cnet has a video introduction to Vista RC1. Elsewhere, people are going bonkers over Vista's... Start up sound. Major Tom to ground control?
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sbenitezb
Member since:
2005-07-22

"The startup chime is an equivalent of the POST beep from PCs"

Crap. The POST beep(s) are a way to simply tell a technician what's broken in your PC. One beep tells everything is ok.
The Startup chime is pure marketing crap.

"it also says "you're using a powerful, well-engineered, and modern machine"

It could be a powerful and well engineered machine. But not a well engineered OS. So it should be the hardware that chimed, not the OS.

"If I were Microsoft, I'd be trying to get OEMs to stick my trademark sound in the BIOS, and then charge a licensing fee for it"

You would be loosing branding.

"At any stage in software loading, it's too late and just annoyingly unnecessary."

My Linux PC doesn't chime and put dancing clips on my screen. If you don't like the startup chime, disable it. If there's no way to disable it, buy a Mac or install Linux.

"I do like, though, this mention of a "ready" sound"

When my machine is ready, I know because I can use it. People don't need a chime to tell them «go ahead». There's the common problems asociated with Windows that could make this usefull, as your computer being completely loaded with crap and taking too much time to actually boot. As Windows presents you an unusable desktop while loading applications in background, then I assume most people would really wait until they are given some kind of signal, like the chime. So you are right on this.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Crap. The POST beep(s) are a way to simply tell a technician what's broken in your PC. One beep tells everything is ok.

And any other combination of beeps is pretty much random and probably undocumented. It's like the POST beep because it's a comfort sound that says everything seems to be working.

It could be a powerful and well engineered machine. But not a well engineered OS. So it should be the hardware that chimed, not the OS.

It is the hardware.

"If I were Microsoft, I'd be trying to get OEMs to stick my trademark sound in the BIOS, and then charge a licensing fee for it"

You would be loosing branding.


They've gotten away with worse. Just tell the OEM people won't trust that it's genuine Windows unless they insert the sound, which will cost them a dollar per motherboard.

My Linux PC doesn't chime and put dancing clips on my screen. If you don't like the startup chime, disable it. If there's no way to disable it, buy a Mac or install Linux.

I don't know what you imagine my situation to be exactly. I'm talking about the article, not about how miserable my life is due to the constant onslaught of MS-engineered sound effects and animations, and within the context of the article, I'm talking about how sticking the sound in software is cheap and unnecessary. Yeah, MS flair is annoying, but that's a different discussion. I mean, did you read what I wrote, or are you just taking random clips of it as inspiration for an entirely unrelated expression of your opinion on completely different topics? That's fine and all, but you might want to preface it with "this made me thing of something..."

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

And any other combination of beeps is pretty much random and probably undocumented.

Uh, no.

http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=guide_bee...

This has saved my neck on a couple of occasions...

It's like the POST beep because it's a comfort sound that says everything seems to be working.

You haven't done much PC repair, it seems.

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Trollstoi Member since:
2005-11-11

And any other combination of beeps is pretty much random and probably undocumented. It's like the POST beep because it's a comfort sound that says everything seems to be working.

Please post when you have some experience on the subject. Motherboards have several ways of indicating hardware errors, the most common being the beep, but there's also mobos with voice messages and others with led number codes. In most of the cases, they provide you with documentation enough to tell the difference between errors, such as no ram, no cpu cooling plugged, wrong voltage, overheating, etc...

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

"And any other combination of beeps is pretty much random and probably undocumented. It's like the POST beep because it's a comfort sound that says everything seems to be working."

Ohh, I can pretty much tell you that my fathers PC chimes when he logs on, and his computer is infected with spyware and probably with virus too. Is slow and bloated. So there's no guarantees that because it chimed it's really doing well, without problems. And the POST beeps is well known for those that repaired PCs for years. No need to tell the normal user «hey, it seems that I'm missing a memory module». Even if your PC is broken, there's possibly no way to make any other thing but beep the speaker. If your machine is not even able to beep the speaker is because is completely destroyed (or a severe motherboard malfunction).

"It is the hardware."

Well, yes, but not by itself.

"I mean, did you read what I wrote, or are you just taking random clips of it as inspiration for an entirely unrelated expression of your opinion on completely different topics? That's fine and all, but you might want to preface it with "this made me thing of something..."

I don't remember by now what you wrote. I write as I reply to you with topics you have provided to me. If I went a little off topic here, sorry, but I don't find myself fixed to talking about one and only one thing.

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Chime Diagnostics
by PAPPP on Sat 2nd Sep 2006 01:39 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the big deal about the sound?"
PAPPP Member since:
2006-07-26

It's apparently not the case any more, but older mac startup chimes DO change for bootup errors, in a predictable way. Some of them are really almost musical. Wikipedia has it under "Chimes of Death" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimes_of_Death

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