Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Oct 2006 19:43 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD After the flood of Fedora Core 6 and Ubuntu 6.10 reviews, here is a review of PC-BSD 1.3 Beta. "PC-BSD has improved quite a bit and the use of its open-source PBI packaging system is a great idea. Although it obviously means there might be a minor delay in newly released products being ported over to the PBI package system, novice users will rejoice because the wait is well worth it. PC-BSD is a well oiled machine with its quick response times, even if you don't have that much memory in your system. Its implementation of a clean interface is welcomed by me and not having a 3D enabled desktop is not something I really would worry about unless you are an eye-candy lover."
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RE[2]: still no easy drivers
by Doc Pain on Tue 31st Oct 2006 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE: still no easy drivers"
Doc Pain
Member since:
2006-10-08

Macromedia doesn't like do publish a free definition of their "Flash" format. That's the problem. I think, thatt there are many developers out there who would love to implement "Flash" plugins and players - but they can't.

Let's take a look on the ports collection (remember, it can be used in PC-BSD like I mentioned before):

graphics/flashplayer - GPL standalone Flash (TM) player
graphics/libflash - GPL Flash (TM) Library
www/flashplugin - An implementation of Macromedia Flash plugin for Netscape
www/flashplugin-mozilla - A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser
www/linux-flashplugin7 - Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
www/xpi-flashblock - Replaces Flash objects with a button you can click to view them (GOOD IDEA!)

So "no support" isn't correct. Complicated support would be better. :-)

Furthermore, there are some procedures to include "Flash" support in Firefox or Mozilla - these ones are in german, sorry ("mit" = with).

Title: "BSD:Firefox mit Flash-Plugin" - http://wiki.uugrn.org/wiki/BSD:Firefox_mit_Flash-Plugin

Title: "FreeBSD - Mozilla mit Java- und Flashsupport" - http://wiki.unixboard.de/index.php/FreeBSD_-_Mozilla_mit_Java-_und_...

But... why are people so keen about "Flash"? It makes it impossible for disabled (blind) people to even enter a web page or gaining information on what the page is about. (Friendly reminder: "Flash" is no substitute for HTML, kids!) Isn't this stupid? Haven't (yet?) found a need for "Flash" for myself...

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RE[3]: still no easy drivers
by Joe User on Tue 31st Oct 2006 16:27 in reply to "RE[2]: still no easy drivers"
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2005-06-29

This is not because you don't like Flash that you should ban us from it. I like watching Flash movies once in a while. Not everybody uses Flash for navigation menus. Flash used properly (for videos) is not evil at all. Blind people won't be able to watch these, but what can we do? Ban Flash as a sympathy?

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RE[4]: still no easy drivers
by Doc Pain on Tue 31st Oct 2006 17:10 in reply to "RE[3]: still no easy drivers"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"This is not because you don't like Flash that you should ban us from it."

I don't do this. You're nearly correct in one point: It's not that I don't like "Flash", it's just that I don't care about it because I have no use for it. Seems that you have, as you pointed out.

"I like watching Flash movies once in a while."

Wouldn't you prefer to watch the same movies in a standard format, maybe MPEG? They could be watched on any platform that supports this standard.

"Not everybody uses Flash for navigation menus. "

At least. But I could name you a few web pages that carry no viewable content if you havent't got "Flash" - simple blank pages.

"Flash used properly (for videos) is not evil at all."

I didn't say so. But - in my opinion - it's not necessary to have videos in "Flash" format when you can have them a cross-platform standard format. You even can have videos animated GIFs... So, "Flash" really is not evil, it's simply useless (to me). :-)

"Blind people won't be able to watch these, but what can we do? Ban Flash as a sympathy?"

No, you don't see the point. My advice: Use everything for what it's good for. What is "Flash" good for that doesn't exist already in better and standardized quality? Excuse me, I really don't know what "Flash" could be needed for. Blame me for lack of experience, I'm an "old fashioned" mainframe guy. :-) Just imagine how you would handle (handcrafting) tools. Of course you can hammer a nail into the wall using a screwdriver (or at least its grip), but wouldn't you prefer a hammer if you have one?

If you like, explain to me the necessarity of "Flash", allthough it might be seen as too far off-topic.

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