Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Nov 2006 11:24 UTC
Novell and Ximian Microsoft will pay Novell USD 348 million up front, but Novell will return USD 200 million of that amount over five years. The specific numbers came in an a filing to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission made by Novell late Tuesday. "The financial commitments Microsoft is making as part of this agreement are significant," company CEO Ron Hovsepian said in a statement. In related news, Microsoft has denied that its patent deal with Novell is in breach of the GPL or will automatically spread Microsoft's patent protection to other Linux distributions.
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RE[5]: losing community faith
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: losing community faith"
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As for your "That remains to be seen" comment Novell does not own Linux so again it does not change Linux.

It doesn't matter if Novell don't "own Linux" if the MS/Novell partnership manages to proprietarize their version of Linux.

Also Linux is a kernel not the applications that run on top of it. No one is saying MS has change what they are saying is that collaboration is the key to the success of Linux.

On the contrary, plenty of people on this forum are saying MS has changed.

Again I support the community I am a opensource advocate but I recognize the need for colaboration and also see the benefit in it. Everyone is so critical of Novell well yeah they opened this but they did not open edirectory. Again they are well within there right and they are a bridge company in itself having both opensource and proprietary applications.

I have no problem with Novell not opening eDirectory. I have no problem with cooperation. I do have a problem with moves that look suspiciously like "We will collaborate, but only with those whom we trust" which in the end, in such a lopsided partnership, is not really any different with "we will not collaborate".

Being a Redhat leaves your model vulnerable to Oracle Linux tactics and influences your revenues if say MS said well we now offer support for red Hat Linux. You need a effective collaboration plan and distinctive edirectory offering to set yourself apart)

Putting conditions on interoperability leaves everyone else vulnerable.
The big picture is Novell is still Novell they are still providing SUSE still contributing to the community.

SLES10 was such an advance for integration and now people want to throw it out because of their business model sound like the same people who criticize Red Hat when they change their model those same people are now praising red hat for their commitment

Some of those people will no doubt say that although RH have a strong commitment to the GPL, RH dropping desktop Linux has done nothing but hinder desktop Linux. The two opinions aren't contradictory, since anyone (including businesses) is capable of doing one thing right and another wrong.

Again community flip flop makes ordinary advocates such as myself question the value of community when they attempt to abandon great distros based on business model when they are not in violation of the GPL

We haven't yet seen whether that's the case. Considerable doubt remains (outside of Redmond and Waltham) over whether code contributed by MS-Novell will be compatible with the GPL and/or subject to patent litigation.

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Is it safe to assume that MS could contribute code to Novell and not have it included in SUSE as the case with e-directory and have it run on to of SUSE such as e-directory and make the license exclusive to Novell. Novell would still be in line with the GPL because the code is not included.

Is that not an option that you would view as acceptable on the behalf of Novell. That option seems to me one that would allow for the continued integrity of Linux as well as a strategic partnership!

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RE[7]: losing community faith
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 17:37 in reply to "RE[6]: losing community faith"
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The worry is this:

That MS will, in effect, create a proprietary Linux by, for example, launching a suit against RedHat which forces them to stop distributing GPL code for reading MS filesystems, and then allowing Novell to include code for reading MS filesystems, whether GPL'ed or not.

That will, in one stroke, create a significant barrier to interoperability between MS and any version of Linux distributed by anyone who isn't, to use a crude description, Microsoft's bitch.

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