Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Nov 2006 15:08 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE OpenSUSE 10.2 Beta 2 has been released. "I'm glad to announce the second beta of openSUSE 10.2 codename Basilisk Lizard. It contains a large number of enhancements and updates done by the open source community and Novell's development teams. For Beta 2 we updated to OpenSync 0.20 and would ask for some testing by the community. We have prepared some testcases for specific mobile devices, like mobile phones which synchronize with SyncML, IrMC and other protocols. The testcases also include simple connection tests for Palm Devices. We would really appreciate any help and hopefully many success reports."
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Ask yourself a question.
by Guppetto on Fri 10th Nov 2006 17:18 UTC
Guppetto
Member since:
2005-07-06

I think everyone should ask themselves a question. Before I get to that, remember that OpenSuse is not SLES or Sled, so supporting OpenSuse is still inkeeping with supporting open software. Hoever, SLES and SLED are built upon all the hard work that goes into OpenSuse.

So, ask yourself this question; If the worst case senario were true, would you want to support the foundation for SLES or SLED. Also ask yourself if the agrement was above board, are you really willing to trash your favorite, working just as you want it open source distro, becuase it's now related to the big bad wolf who might huf and puff and blow your house down. If you answer those questions, it will be apparent if OpenSuse is still for you.

Personally, based on what I currently know, I like SLED and OpenSuse 10.2 a little to much to trash it just yet. The time may come for that, but as of now, the party continues.

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RE: Ask yourself a question.
by segedunum on Fri 10th Nov 2006 17:32 in reply to "Ask yourself a question."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

So, ask yourself this question; If the worst case senario were true, would you want to support the foundation for SLES or SLED.

I don't think anyone is doubting that OpenSUSE is a great distribution, and for me it's still the best KDE distro out there. However, what Novell have done is to just throw some FUD at everyone:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061109111321376

and this:

http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/community.mspx

Yes, you read that right there. It's called Microsoft’s Patent Pledge for Individual Contributors to openSUSE.org.

Get that. If you want to know what damage Novell have done you can start right there.

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dostrowski Member since:
2006-11-10

Get that. If you want to know what damage Novell have done you can start right there.

Thank you for the links, the second one, at least, is very insightful, I had not looked at it before.

Interestingly though, I'm not sure I see where it hurts anyone. "Microsoft’s Patent Pledge for Individual Contributors to openSUSE.org" says "we won't weild patents against you if you contribute open source software to openSuSE even if it violates our patents, so long as you don't sue us for patent issues."

But really, folks that write software to be GPL'ed and included in Linux distributions are already kinda banking on that aren't they? Either you write software that doesn't infringe on MS patents and you're home free or you hope like hell they don't weild their patents against you. Up until now, I would say, the false sense of security has been "well IBM and Novell would sue Microsoft's pants off if Microsoft tried to enforce patents on me, so who cares?"

I don't know how this agreement really changes the development model in place.

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RE: Ask yourself a question.
by netpython on Fri 10th Nov 2006 18:04 in reply to "Ask yourself a question."
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

OpenSuse is not SLES or Sled, so supporting OpenSuse

But it's the same frickn firm that's running the scepter.

They signed a convenant with a company whoose headmonkey clearly stated that the ones who sign are not going to be sued.To me that's a threat.Sign or get sued.

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