Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Dec 2006 22:26 UTC
Novell and Ximian The first fruit of the recently announced Novell/Microsoft interoperability agreement arrived on Dec. 4, with Novell's announcement that its version of the OpenOffice productivity suite will now support the Microsoft Office Open XML format. The release candidate of Novell's modified version of 2.02 is now available for Windows for free download by registered Novell users.
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Tinfoil Hats
by n4cer on Mon 4th Dec 2006 23:52 UTC
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Some of you guys should remove your tinfoil hats for a moment and actually review OOXML before continuing with false assertions about it. These arguments are getting old. OOXML is not owned by Microsoft. It is owned by ECMA, will soon be submitted to ISO, anyone can implement it, and developers for all the major platforms have created/are creating tools and applications for viewing, editing, processing, and converting OOXML. Companies from several industries, including Microsoft competitors like Novell and Apple, had direct participation in driving the standard from the initial submission to the current spec, and will continue to drive future versions of the spec. There's nothing alleged about OOXML's openness.

ODF cannot become the format of choice for conversion of legacy Office documents anymore than RTF can. ODF has an extremely long way to go before it can perform lossless conversions from legacy Office documents. This was not a design goal for the format, and if it became such, ODF would quickly gain complexity comparable to OOXML. At present, you can't even be assured of lossless conversion between two ODF applications.

Accept that there are valid reasons for both formats and move on. In a fairly short amount of time, support for either format will be virtually a none-issue.

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RE: Tinfoil Hats
by Temcat on Tue 5th Dec 2006 08:29 in reply to "Tinfoil Hats"
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A limited patent license without enumeration of the specific patents doesn't not look that open (they don't give you a license for all patents related to Open XML). An independent legal analysis of the patent license and patent search is needed before it can be characterized as truly open.

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RE: Tinfoil Hats
by kaiwai on Tue 5th Dec 2006 11:29 in reply to "Tinfoil Hats"
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The issue n4cer that people have with it, isn't the fact that its an openstandard, but whether Microsoft, when they improve upon that standard, will they submit the changes back to the ECMA/ISO so that the specifications can be updated - thats the big concern.

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RE: Tinfoil Hats
by twenex on Tue 5th Dec 2006 20:25 in reply to "Tinfoil Hats"
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Some of you guys should remove your tinfoil hats for a moment

What, you mean the ones we were wearing when we said there was something fishy about the MS-Novell deal, and then Ballmer started talking about "IP violations"?

Sounds like a decent advert for tin hats, if you ask me.

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