Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 13th Jan 2007 00:12 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD In his 'A week with...' series, Justin has used PC-BSD 1.3 this week and is sharing his experience. In other news, the PC-BSD team unveiled a sneak peek of the new look of the software installation wizard.
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some corrections
by antik on Sat 13th Jan 2007 12:42 UTC
antik
Member since:
2006-05-19

I have to bring some corrections to this 3 day journey:

1. On second cd you'll find OpenOffice.org 2.1 not 2.4 as stated in this article (looks like he got second iso from mirror that was not synced at the moment he downloaded it)
2. Portsnap is FreeBSD standard application, not PC-BSD one (PC-BSD have just front-end for it).
3. He talks about BPM and Kports but didn't mention portinstall/portupgrade.
4. Portsnap don't stall- it downloads over 40MB or ports image over slow internet connection (PPPoE in his case)- just have to wait and be patient.
5. About OpenOffice.org MIME types- first time when you doubleclick on some openoffice file you'll see choose application menu- select OpenOffice(whatever you want) and select "remember application". Next time it would open your document with your favourite application. I know this is small issue and this would be sorted out in next release.
6. Startin PBI-s can't be so slow- eg. OpenOffice.org got no KDE dependencies and loads GTK and friends anyway.
7. Of course there is no graphical way of removing unused applications (Never heard of it in KDE- except PBI deinstallation) but you can remove them from menus with menu editor. Just press right mouse button on menu and press "Edit Menu", then remove.
8. iXsystem didn't bought PC-BSD project, they just bought PC-BSD trademark- project stays BSD licensed and mostly volunteer driven.
9. Launching PBI install files from external drives was crippled in initial 1.3 release, due to "noexec" mounting option hardcoded into HALd (Now it's removed in 1.3.01). HALd have various problems with FreeBSD USB system but I hope those annoyances would be sorted out in couple of months if not faster.

PC-BSD is first to use latest KDE and various technologies that is never used on FreeBSD and can help FreeBSD and KDE FreeBSD projects with testing, bugreports, fixes and suggestions for upcoming releases. We (PC-BSD Team) are working on enhancements/bugfixes and you can expect only stabler, faster and more polished future releases.

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RE: some corrections
by KLU9 on Sat 13th Jan 2007 20:25 in reply to "some corrections"
KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

4. Portsnap don't stall- it downloads over 40MB or ports image over slow internet connection (PPPoE in his case)- just have to wait and be patient.

Maybe it doesn't stall.... but it sure as hell looks to me like it has every time I've tried it. It would progress to something like 25% and then... nothing.

If it is still doing something, then may I suggest some form of feedback to let the user know that.

And it does seem strange that if it's just because of slow downloading, then why does it appear to be doing something for the first 25% but then appear not to be doing anything after that???

Does my broadband work fine most of the time and then just coincidentally collapse each and every time I'm 25% of the way thru using Portsnap in PC-BSD... on two completely different broadband providers and types???)

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RE[2]: some corrections
by Oliver on Sun 14th Jan 2007 12:30 in reply to "RE: some corrections"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Instead whining, try just another server.

-> man portsnap

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RE: some corrections
by molnarcs on Sun 14th Jan 2007 15:46 in reply to "some corrections"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

I agree with everything you said except this:

PC-BSD is first to use latest KDE and various technologies that is never used on FreeBSD and can help FreeBSD and KDE FreeBSD projects with testing...

On the contrary! PC-BSD uses only stuff already tested on FreeBSD - e.g updated KDE to 3.5.5 only after it was available in ports. In fact, that's where I would like to see some changes in PC-BSD. For instance, for months now, the xorg team of freebsd has been testing xorg 7.2rcX - and for the past 1 month, it has been working fairly well. PC-BSD could have tried adopting 7.2, then do a number of releases to help test (they specifically ask for testers), but went with 6.9 instead. I understand concerns about stability, but don't claim that PC-BSD helps testing new stuff in FreeBSD. It doesn't. (And there are some areas that it could: HSP's new USB stack, Ariff's work on multimedia, etc.).

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RE[2]: some corrections
by antik on Sun 14th Jan 2007 16:35 in reply to "RE: some corrections"
antik Member since:
2006-05-19

On the contrary! PC-BSD uses only stuff already tested on FreeBSD - e.g updated KDE to 3.5.5 only after it was available in ports.

We got KDE 3.5.5 for our internal beta versions from development cvs repository long before it appeared in ports.

..but don't claim that PC-BSD helps testing new stuff in FreeBSD. It doesn't. (And there are some areas that it could: HSP's new USB stack, Ariff's work on multimedia, etc.).

You mean we should test new (alpha) features on our users? We bring FreeBSD for desktop users and your claim that we do nothing for testing new stuff is nonsense. If you think that we (PC-BSD Team) is sitting in cave and waiting for ports appear then you are wrong- we file bugreports and help troubleshoot many FreeBSD desktop specific bugs and of course we know about Xorg 7.2, DRM/DRI, about HALd disaster, current USB suckiness (sry, limitations/bugs), crippled features in KDE- broken by Linux oriented developers (NFS, Samba, CUPS...), ZFS, Gjournaling filesystem, MAC, etc...

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