Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:17 UTC
Windows Microsoft disclosed Monday that over one in five Windows installations were deemed non-genuine through the company's Windows Genuine Advantage program, which requires users to validate their operating system before downloading updates from the company. Since WGA launched in July 2005, over 512 million users have attempted to validate their copy of Windows, Microsoft said. Of those, the non-genuine rate was 22.3 percent. 56000 reports have been made by customers of counterfeit software, which grants that user a free replacement copy of Windows.
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22%?
by Eugenia on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:26 UTC
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

Just 22%? In the non-developed countries (and the semi-developed ones), I would think that it's over 60%.

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RE: 22%?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:27 in reply to "22%?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Underdeveloped countries barely have drinking water, let alone a computer. I would not be surprised if less then 3% of the world's computers is in Africa.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by Eugenia on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:46 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I am not talking about countries that they don't have water Thom. I am talking about countries like Greece, where I have experience. Most people there, pirate.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by tacit_one on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:49 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
tacit_one Member since:
2005-12-09

Don't think you're completely right. There is China, India, Russia, Brasil and Eastern Europe. There are a lot of PCs there, and there are not so many licensed versions of Windows in these regions. I don't think that you will find even 15% of licensed versions.

Edited 2007-01-23 21:49

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RE[2]: 22%?
by FooBarWidget on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:49 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

What about countries like China and Philippines? They're not exactly underdeveloped countries. But from what I know, over 90% of the people in Philippines use pirated Windows XP, and they don't even seem to care that they can't install SP2.

Actually 22% surprised me a bit. It's surprisingly low. These days, PC vendors don't even give you the Windows install disk anymore, which almost forces people to pirate Windows if their Windows installation b0rked and they need to format and reinstall. In the past few years, everybody who came to me with a Windows problem said that they don't have the Windows CD.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by Barnabyh on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 22:49 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
Barnabyh Member since:
2006-02-06

Have you been to Africa? There's computers everywhere you go and as many internet cafes as in Western Europe, albeit quite often in roadside shacks and with donated computers from Universities over here but that's just the outside.
Some are well equipped with flat screens, webcams, mic and headsets as standard on their 25 or so machines. Yes, I was surprised too.
(Fun when the power cuts out, but that's happening here more and more as well. Had my second outage in six months yesterday and this one lasted over two hours, in cosmopolitan London. They seem to be better equipped for things like this over there.)

Edited 2007-01-23 22:54

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RE[2]: 22%?
by Vinegar Joe on Wed 24th Jan 2007 01:32 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
Vinegar Joe Member since:
2006-08-16

Thom.....you need to get out in the world some. The Dutch are the ones begging for high tech investment from countries like Taiwan.......and Taiwan is not 3rd world.....but neither does it have clean drinking water. The odds are your computer was built by Taiwanese.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by rayoleary on Wed 24th Jan 2007 03:40 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
rayoleary Member since:
2006-12-22

Wow, what a dismissive attitude. Thom, I'm sure by some measurements you could be considered under-developed (hint, grammar), or the Dutch sense of humility could be considered under-developed, but that doesn't make you an idiot or the Netherlands a country of arrogant smug gits, does it? Similarly, countries can be under-developed and still have such astonishing developments as clean drinking water, the wheel, telephones and <gasp> computers.

Don't be such a snotty asshole.

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RE: 22%?
by microFawad on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:34 in reply to "22%?"
microFawad Member since:
2005-12-09

Yeah! You are right. People in third world countries don't care for piracy. I myself have seen this. They say why should we pay hundreds of dollars if we are getting it for just 2 or 3 dollars. lol

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RE[2]: 22%?
by justin.68 on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 22:53 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
justin.68 Member since:
2006-09-16

Theoretically, software piracy may hit as high as 80%, but MS did their job too well this once: Vista is so resource-hungry that in less developed countries it's no good trying to get an illegal copy of the OS, because there's hardly anybody who can afford the hardware that can run it. ;-P

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RE[2]: 22%?
by Soulbender on Wed 24th Jan 2007 07:07 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"They say why should we pay hundreds of dollars if we are getting it for just 2 or 3 dollars."

Especially when, as is common, $100 is a significant chunk of your monthly salary. While $100 may still be a bit painfull to pay if you live in Europe or U.S it won't leave you broke.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by dtiziani on Wed 24th Jan 2007 15:44 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
dtiziani Member since:
2005-07-13

Get out of the bubble, bubble boy! plock
Just the facts: I think you don't have any idea how expensive it is sw in 3rd world countries. 1:3 ratio for currency from us dollars is good enough for you?

Oh well, you can always NOT have a computer these days, right? And everybody knows pretty well how to play along with linux (thank god it's changing and getting easier).

Lol for your comments, dumbass. =]

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RE: 22%?
by Priest on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:45 in reply to "22%?"
Priest Member since:
2006-05-12

22% of the people who tried to get past Microsofts Windows validation tool had pirate copies anyway.

I suspect there is a large install base of pirate copies who decided not to try running the validation software.

So the actual number likely is higher.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by progster on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 21:56 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
progster Member since:
2005-07-27

not to mention the number of pirate copies that get around the genuine check (a couple of my friends do this). So I believe the actual number of pirate copies will be quite a lot higher

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RE[2]: 22%?
by zerohalo on Tue 23rd Jan 2007 22:23 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
zerohalo Member since:
2005-07-26

I agree. 22% is too low to be true. Maybe in the US, but not other countries, as others have pointed out. In countries I've been to you'd be hardpressed to find someone with a genuine copy. Of course if you buy from Dell or HP in those countries you'll get it, but a lot of people buy computers from local computer stores that put pirated copies on themselves. And when it comes to upgrades, forget it; no one buys them.

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RE: 22%?
by Charles A Landemaine on Wed 24th Jan 2007 01:47 in reply to "22%?"
Charles A Landemaine Member since:
2005-11-11

In Brazil, there's a computer in almost every house and office. Virtually all computers are pirated. The only case where Windows is genuine is in medium-size and large companies. So, there are millions of pirated copies. Small computer stores even sell computers with a free copy of Windows. You can buy CD-ROMs of popular software such as Windows Vista for $5 in the street.

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RE[2]: 22%?
by mark_in_rdjbrasil on Wed 24th Jan 2007 13:12 in reply to "RE: 22%?"
mark_in_rdjbrasil Member since:
2005-11-30

charles, where are you in brazil ?

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RE[2]: 22%?
by bsdnewbieee on Wed 24th Jan 2007 02:25 in reply to "22%?"
bsdnewbieee Member since:
2007-01-24

I think it's aobut 50% or more.

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RE[3]: 22%?
by ma_d on Wed 24th Jan 2007 02:41 in reply to "RE[2]: 22%?"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

I strongly doubt that. I think 50% of desktop computers are probably business based, and I doubt they have higher than a 10% piracy rate (the major players just can't get away with much piracy there, and the little guys are comparatively ... little).

And in the home most people buy Windows from Dell or a big box store. The little retails stores occasionally pirate and occasionally they're completely honest about their use of Windows. I happened to work in one that did the latter, and we were carefully told what you could and couldn't do with a Windows license.

Most users with the know-how to pirate make up a small percentage.

Now that's all in the US. I'd guess that US piracy is far lower than 22%. Maybe places where you can actually purchase pirated copies (from a distributor, not your friend) have a higher rate? But I bet a lot of those computers never get online!

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RE: 22%?
by dsfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd on Wed 24th Jan 2007 08:34 in reply to "22%?"
dsfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd Member since:
2007-01-19

22%? Just a *little* optimistic wouldn't you say?

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RE: 22%?
by mark_in_rdjbrasil on Wed 24th Jan 2007 13:09 in reply to "22%?"
mark_in_rdjbrasil Member since:
2005-11-30

ok, here is my pointless example. i am doing this comment on my wifes' pirated copy of xp professional with portuguese language. but, all i care about is the official copy of firefox 2 with english language that allows me to browse this website, or distrowatch, cnn, etc. etc. etc.

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