Linked by John Mills on Tue 13th Feb 2007 21:49 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "The Ubuntu Technical Board has made two technical decisions of which we would like to inform the Ubuntu community. Both of these decisions concern the upcoming 7.04 release of Ubuntu, scheduled for mid-April." Ubuntu 7.04 will not activate binary video drivers by default, essentially meaning nothing will change from the previous releases. The second change is a major blow to the PowerPC architecture and thus owners of Apple PPC hardware: "The PowerPC edition of Ubuntu will be reclassified as unofficial. The PowerPC software itself and supporting infrastructure will continue to be available, and supported by a community team." Translation: Ubuntu PPC can shake hands with the dodo.
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Lovechild
Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm endlessly pleased to see the madness that was the proposal to default to using binary drivers die, it so deserved it.

But now can we please get rid of the wifi drivers as well and maybe you know.. focus on building a proper wifi stack on Linux with drivers that don't fall over if you look at them wrong. We are at least a year behind OpenBSD on wifi, they got there with hard work and a dedication to freedom - what have we got to show for the compromise we made on wifi?

I'm getting rather tired of supporting people who installed them because of the reply one gets when such drivers break - "it's Linux' fault" or "Linux sucks because my wifi is flaky". I honestly think people would accept non-existant wifi better than the current state wherein we have no proper wifi stack, all the drivers implement everything themselves.. and badly. To support most drivers you need to jump through hoops and then it still doesn't work due to odd bugs.

Can we please get back to the tried and true method of doing things right, even if it takes a bit longer? I promise it will be worth it in the long run and I'm in this for the long run not just a goal of converting as many people as possible while leaving an equal or greater amount of people with hatred of Linux because of profoundly bad experiences.

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linux-it Member since:
2006-07-13

well, you do seem to have a point, but let's think a bit further than this.

Abandoning working solutions is a major set-back for linux. Our tendency as a company is to prevent the support hassle so we try to get supported hardware for a strat and that makes sense. Our wifi works, we don't need to support broken nstallations as they are not borked anyways.

The same holds for video stuff. If people like bling (and so far I've seen that they do -- they see vista and we go futher than aero with compiz, beryl, metisse, lg3d), we should have it. Point.

If you really want to be pure, you will have to understand that it's a major setback in functionality and people will abandon easily linux.

That is also the reason why some distributions are not too well accepted -- it delays the useability too much because of the "purity" the developers want.

It's fine, all ok, but if we want to go better, we'll have to accept a few things. thinks like some closed source drivers, ndiswrapper, deals between companies that some don't like.

The real world says: hey, I/we want a heterogenous network, else we'l have to ditch linux. Not the right route.

So yes, sometimes some thinks are being thought of that you and I dislike, but please, don't try to stall linux, like FSFs work with GPLv3 tries too.

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ralph Member since:
2005-07-10

Abandoning working solutions is a major set-back for linux.

You seem to totally miss his point. These "compromise" solutions don't work, so let's concentrate on the ones that do work (like OpenBSD did) and scrap those half-working solutions.

Now feel of course free to agree or disagree with that.

P.S.: I don't think we need any more anti-FSF-fud here.

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Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

While the idea of doing things the OpenBSD way is nice, it's not going to happen with Linux - there are too many special interests that get their say and can effect the direction of the kernel's development. Just look at the mess of firewall options for Linux, where OpenBSD took one and streamlined it, cleaned it up and made it a thing to be feared, Linux allows for more than 4 different systems to do it's packet filtering.

Linux serves as the hydra because it's got all these minds taking it in all these different directions, it's unlikely that a sudden change will come to get everyone to look to the same goal.

It is Linux's fault, the way it is developed encourages this, you know, the whole, "it is my blessing, and it is my curse," bit.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Yes. Long ago I bought into the idea that it would be better if we focused all our efforts upon one desktop, etc.

Eventually, I realized that it wasn't ever going to happen. Later on, I realized that it was not even desirable.

Look at one of the few pieces of the stack that *has* been effectively single-sourced in the past: XFree86.

Remember what happened to us there? How many years were wasted in effective stagnation thanks to David Dawes strangle-hold upon the project (as the rest of us cowered in fear at the project's monolithic complexity?)

We still haven't recovered.

Sometimes things *do* get out of hand and we end up with *too many* competing projects in a specific area.

But we should always have at least two realistic and popular alternatives as checks and balances to each other.

It may not be "optimal". But, pragmatically speaking, it is best.

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