Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Feb 2007 21:29 UTC, submitted by m_yates
Windows "There's lots to like in the newest version of Windows. Vista's look is stunning, the OS should be more secure, and finding things is often easier. But Windows wouldn't be Windows without those aspects, big and small, that just drive you nuts with frustration. Here's our list of Vista features that just make us wonder, 'What were they thinking?'"
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RE[3]: oh no more vista!
by stare on Wed 21st Feb 2007 00:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: oh no more vista!"
stare
Member since:
2005-07-06

- Only Vista Ultimate is a real upgrade. And it's far too expensive: $400 in the USA, $780 (!) in the EU (with that price I guess they assume they're not going to sell many -if any at all- original boxed copies in the EU).

Except it's $200-250 in USA and EU.
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=vista+ultimate+oem&btnG=Search+...

Pros: Nice interface. Desktop search. Better security (?)

Massive core stability and performance improvemnts (GUI separation from kernel, prioritized I/O, SMP and NUMA enchancements, significant new memory manager features,), file versions snapshots ("Previous Versions")
DirectX 10
new audio stack with per-application volume control, reworked networking stack with many performance and scalability advantages
redesigned print architecture with improved use of color management
native UDF write capability
native Bluetooth 2.0 support
speech recognition

... and many other features

Cons: Too many annoyances (UAC and Graphic cards drivers being the most important).

UAC can be switched off if it annoys you.

I guess Mac/Linux users aren't going to switch to Windows Vista

Why not? I guess many Mac and Linux users will switch to Vista, while few Windows users will switch to Mac and nobody to Linux.

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RE[4]: oh no more vista!
by Headrush on Wed 21st Feb 2007 00:27 in reply to "RE[3]: oh no more vista!"
Headrush Member since:
2006-01-03

You on the MS payroll? ;-)

When it comes to average end users, 1 bad visual problem can easily outweigh 5 hidden improvements.

(The average user could care less about NUMA or if the networking stack was rewritten.)

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RE[5]: oh no more vista!
by stare on Wed 21st Feb 2007 00:42 in reply to "RE[4]: oh no more vista!"
stare Member since:
2005-07-06

You on the MS payroll? ;-)

*sigh* I wish

When it comes to average end users, 1 bad visual problem can easily outweigh 5 hidden improvements.

Sure, that's why Vista unfortunately has no real contenders (OSX is tied to specific hardware and Linux desktops is one giant visual problem)

Edited 2007-02-21 00:44

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RE[4]: oh no more vista!
by dylansmrjones on Wed 21st Feb 2007 01:48 in reply to "RE[3]: oh no more vista!"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

It's $500 in Denmark for Vista Business according to EDBPriser.dk

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RE[4]: oh no more vista!
by PowerMacX on Wed 21st Feb 2007 02:43 in reply to "RE[3]: oh no more vista!"
PowerMacX Member since:
2005-11-06

Why not? I guess many Mac and Linux users will switch to Vista, while few Windows users will switch to Mac and nobody to Linux.

You have to remember one very important fact: most if not all Mac and Linux users are using an OS they choose to begin with. And there are no Mac or Linux users who have no experience with Windows.

"Many" switching to Windows? I doubt that. Most of the "new" Vista features have been available on OS X & Linux for some time, so basically switching would involve: Windows (which both kinds users didn't like to begin with) + features they have been using in their current OS of choice for a while + a hefty price tag.

Again, many?

With "solutions" like this to Vista's problems?
"UAC can be switched off if it annoys you."

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RE[5]: oh no more vista!
by Darkelve on Wed 21st Feb 2007 08:47 in reply to "RE[4]: oh no more vista!"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

It's sad to say this, but this article, recommending to turn off UAC, shows that the latest Apple Ad called "Security" actually has it right.

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RE[5]: oh no more vista!
by stare on Wed 21st Feb 2007 10:13 in reply to "RE[4]: oh no more vista!"
stare Member since:
2005-07-06

You have to remember one very important fact: most if not all Mac and Linux users are using an OS they choose to begin with. And there are no Mac or Linux users who have no experience with Windows.

There is no evidence this two statements are true (or wrong).

"Many" switching to Windows? I doubt that. Most of the "new" Vista features have been available on OS X & Linux for some time,

In Linux some features are there, many are half-baked for a long time (such as Beagle, wireless/upnp networking), some completely missing (such as HD Video support). OSX is somewhat better, but again, it's tied to Apple's own hardware, which most users don't like or want.

so basically switching would involve: Windows (which both kinds users didn't like to begin with) + features they have been using in their current OS of choice for a while + a hefty price tag.

It would involve realization of how great and more consistent Vista is (on friends computer, for instance), knowing it cost only $200 for a whole new OS, buying (or probably downloading) and switching to it.


With "solutions" like this to Vista's problems?

That's not solution for Vista problem (because there is no problem), but for a user who is not used to non-admin running mode.

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RE[4]: oh no more vista!
by thebluesgnr on Wed 21st Feb 2007 03:40 in reply to "RE[3]: oh no more vista!"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

"Why not? I guess many Mac and Linux users will switch to Vista, while few Windows users will switch to Mac and nobody to Linux."

Nobody, huh?

You're off by at least 20,000:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/30/HNpeugeotlinux_1.html

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RE[5]: oh no more vista!
by Darkelve on Wed 21st Feb 2007 08:49 in reply to "RE[4]: oh no more vista!"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

"Nobody, huh?

You're off by at least 20,000:"

Make that +50 000 Brazilians:

http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/07/02/13/1933232.shtml

And +1 for myself :p

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