Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 17:38 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Debian and its clones Last September, some of the Debian Linux distribution's leadership wanted to make sure that Etch, the next version of Debian, arrived on its December 4th due date. Almost two months later, though, according to the February 17th Release Critical Bug Report memo to the Debian Developers Announcement list, there are still 541 release critical bugs.
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I love Debian, BUT:
by deb2006 on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 19:32 UTC
deb2006
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2006-06-26

It's difficult to attract new users to an operating system that is considered outdated when it's released. Even on the server side there are some rather old packages that are the cause of difficulties after too much time has passed.

And it's too easy to say Debian is for the server. Debian itself sees itself as a general purpose distribution. As such it has to compete not only with other solid server distributions such as RHEL or SLES but also with shiny desktop distributions such as Ubuntu, SUSE, and Fedora.

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RE: I love Debian, BUT:
by fretinator on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 19:53 in reply to "I love Debian, BUT:"
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2005-07-06

Another way to look at Debian is to look at is at the reference implementation of an abstract system - the Debian System. As a reference implementation, it doesn't focus on all the shiny niceties we have all gotten used to - but it works. Sun does this with their J2EE product, they release reference implementations.

People like Ubuntu, Linspire, Mepis produce friendlier implementations of the abstrace Debian System. This does not in any way detract from Debian, it is rather a testament to its usefulness.

Having said that, I find Debian to be a very usable system if you know what you are doing. If you don't, it is best to use one of the friendlier implementations.

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RE[2]: I love Debian, BUT:
by deb2006 on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 20:38 in reply to "RE: I love Debian, BUT:"
deb2006 Member since:
2006-06-26

What exactly happens at the moment? There are "nice" distributions that used to be based on Debian - well, they are now based on Ubuntu. So this "reference implementation" thing is somewhat fading away ...

Debian _is_ a very usable system. What I mean is: Does it still attract new users? Isn't it true that Ubuntu takes away a huge chunk - even now with Dapper for servers? And isn't Ubuntu on its way to substitute Debian (tho somewhat impossible since it's based on Debian itself)?

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RE[2]: I love Debian, BUT:
by dsmogor on Sun 25th Feb 2007 20:52 in reply to "RE: I love Debian, BUT:"
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2005-09-01

>People like Ubuntu, Linspire, Mepis produce friendlier >implementations of the abstrace Debian System. This does >not in any way detract from Debian, it is rather a >testament to its usefulness.

True, but none of them makes use of the enormous work of stabizing the codebase as none of them is based on stable. Most of that work goes to waste as serious users have to seek for updated versions of their target software voiding any testing and integrations effort debian developers did.
Maybe debian should just ditch stable alltogether.

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