Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Apr 2007 22:12 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Even more Haiku news today. Oliver Ruiz Dorantes, who will be monitoring GSoC student Salvatore Benedetto coming summer, has started work on what will become an office suite for Haiku. His blog already shows the first screenshots of the project. He is seeking for help on the project, so if you have the experience, feel free t help him out. Also, a new batch of icons has been added to Haiku.
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RE: Why not
by lucky13 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 18:41 UTC in reply to "Why not"
lucky13
Member since:
2007-04-01

Instead, it can be in the realm of minimalistic yet useful application.

I hate the Mac-PC ads, but your reply reminds me of the one when Mac talks about how many apps come with Macs so they're useful out of the box and then PC stupidly brags about coming with a calculator. Woohoo...

Haiku will not have widespread adoption until and unless users can do everything as easily, as well, as completely, etc., as they can using their current OSes. In fact, I'll go further. Haiku won't expand much further than the hobbyists who are already enthralled with its "promise" right now unless it can exceed -- not merely match, but beat the bleeping socks off -- application offerings (qualitatively and quantitatively) of other OSes. No killer app, no future. Why would people ditch what they already have in 2007 and take a step back to 1987 or even 1997?

If you want a simple, bloat-free wordprocessor, try porting ted. It's X11-based, but its source tarball is about 3MB. Certainly would be easier than totally reinventing the wheel -- but that's what Haiku is all about, eh.

http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/

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RE[2]: Why not
by Richard-LA on Wed 18th Apr 2007 19:48 in reply to "RE: Why not"
Richard-LA Member since:
2007-04-17

Widespread adoption is a bad goal to have early on and very unrealistic; you end up trying to be all things to all people and get nowhere.

I hope the Haiku focus is to evolve to be the choice OS for a small and particular niche of professionals -- those developing media content, especially video content. It could be the OS of choice for indy film developers with just a few good apps.

Success breeds more success; find a niche and succeed, and other good things will follow.

Hats off to anyone willing to put time and energy into creating an app for Haiku; even if it doesn't finish, if there is a good design then objects from the source can be used elsewhere. It will be a good learning experience at the worst.

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RE[3]: Why not
by lucky13 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 22:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Why not"
lucky13 Member since:
2007-04-01

Widespread adoption is a bad goal to have early on and very unrealistic; you end up trying to be all things to all people and get nowhere.

Being aloof by catering to the desires of a small group would also insure that its development (a) stagnates and (b) becomes so insular and narrow that outside interest can never develop. Worse, if it's too "quirky" or novel, it stands very little chance of being adopted outside its development group.

BeOS had the same goal with respect to media content you want Haiku to have. How'd that work out? Not so good last time I checked. Funny that.

Also, filmmakers don't live their lives in vacuums. Haiku shouldn't be developed in one. Focusing on too tight a niche can be as poor a strategy as being too broad. Then you might be better off talking about an application instead of an entire operating system. And with all due respect, you're moving your goalposts back years rather than forward considering how many open source, Windows, and Mac applications are already standards in filmmaking.

Hats off to anyone willing to put time and energy into creating an app for Haiku

Hats off to anyone creating apps for any OS, especially ones that can and will be used (not to mention that can and will be useful).

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RE[3]: Why not
by stestagg on Thu 19th Apr 2007 17:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Why not"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Widespread adoption is a bad goal to have early on and very unrealistic; you end up trying to be all things to all people and get nowhere.

- Quoth he without any ambition

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RE[2]: Why not
by El-Al on Wed 18th Apr 2007 20:33 in reply to "RE: Why not"
El-Al Member since:
2006-04-17

Who mentioned widespread adoption/world domination in this thread regarding Haiku?

As you know, the BeOS 'philosophy' was all about ease of use. Talk to me about the 'ease' of configuring certain parts of any GNU/Linux distribution you care to mention. Talk to me about stability, reliability issues, re-installing Windows, failed Linux installs etc.

To my knowledge, there is not an x86 OS out there that fits your description of OS 'nirvana' unless, of course, you happen to be absorbed by fixing computers that don't work properly or have the neccessary skills to do so without thinking about it.

What you fail to mention is that one persons nirvana is anothers sh*tpit. In other word, my computing needs are different from yours. Linux...tried it, Windows, dislike it with avengeance. OSX...will never own a Mac.

Now, if 'hobbyists' like myself, wish to root for an OS like Haiku, complete with it's miniscule userbase, for a lack of satisfaction with the rest of the OS offerings out there, then Ok, I just don't see your problem. If you don't have an, interest, why even respond to the thread with nothing but sour grapes?

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RE[3]: Why not
by lucky13 on Thu 19th Apr 2007 16:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Why not"
lucky13 Member since:
2007-04-01

Talk to me about the 'ease' of configuring certain parts of any GNU/Linux distribution you care to mention. Talk to me about stability, reliability issues, re-installing Windows, failed Linux installs etc.

Addressed it on my blog with a few recommendations I suggested might be off-topic in my previous reply along with a pic of torsmo showing uptime on my most recent Linux install: 29d, 13h, 7m.

http://lucky13.blogsavy.com/

:-)

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RE[3]: Why not
by lucky13 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 22:46 in reply to "RE: Why not"
lucky13 Member since:
2007-04-01

why even respond to the thread with nothing but sour grapes?

You tell me -- your post is the one dripping with vinegar. I *did* offer a constructive idea in using GPL code as a base rather than reinventing the word processor wheel.

As far as your screed about configuring Linux distros, I'd be more than happy to recommend several that even a BeOS user could run (and fwiw, I've never had a "failed" Linux install). Wouldn't that be off-topic, though? :-)

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RE[4]: Why not
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 23rd Apr 2007 02:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Why not"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

As far as your screed about configuring Linux distros, I'd be more than happy to recommend several that even a BeOS user could run (and fwiw, I've never had a "failed" Linux install).


Affected superiority and self-congratulation, what charming combination.

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