Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd May 2007 19:19 UTC, submitted by DevL
Apple Steve Jobs writes about Apple's efforts to become a more enironmental friendly company. "Apple has been criticized by some environmental organizations for not being a leader in removing toxic chemicals from its new products, and for not aggressively or properly recycling its old products. Upon investigating Apple's current practices and progress towards these goals, I was surprised to learn that in many cases Apple is ahead of, or will soon be ahead of, most of its competitors in these areas. Whatever other improvements we need to make, it is certainly clear that we have failed to communicate the things that we are doing well." Among other things, Apple will introduce LEDs in displays to Macs this year.
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by A.H. on Wed 2nd May 2007 20:20 UTC in reply to "RE"
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Following your logic the ultimate green solution would be to nuke the entire human population.

The environment is naturally able to dispose our waste at a certain rate. It's when we are producing the waste at higher rate than the nature is able to dispose of it then it becomes a problem. The CO2 on it's own is not a problem, every living thing is exhaling it. It's when CO2 is continuously produced in huge amounts then it becomes "bad", or so they say.

The goal of the green movement is to try establishing an equilibrium with nature by cutting down the rate of waste production. It's basically about efficiency.

Having said that I feel that CO2 production is receiving way too much attention compared to the production and use or other much more dangerous pollutants. Also, seeing the amount of disposable items used and thrown into garbage daily simply p@#$%s me off.

Edited 2007-05-02 20:24

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by Kroc on Wed 2nd May 2007 20:39 in reply to "RE"
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"Following your logic the ultimate green solution would be to nuke the entire human population. "

To which my reply,

“On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.” Charles Babbage

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by jelway on Wed 2nd May 2007 22:30 in reply to "RE"
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I think he was using those extremes to make a point. Clearly you missed it.

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by A.H. on Thu 3rd May 2007 14:00 in reply to "RE"
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"I think he was using those extremes to make a point."

Which extremes exactly? Are you referring to those words: "The greenest thing you can do is to not buy a computer at all. The greenest car you can buy is none at all, or a bicyle."? If that is the case then yes, I did fail to interpret it as an extreme because to me it did sound like he was seriously suggesting it.

"Clearly you missed it."

Clearly, I did. What exactly was the point? That instead of trying to create more efficient computers and cars we should abandon them altogether, along with all other achievements of the civilization? Bicycling btw, is not perfectly green either. Think of all the metal, rubber, paint and lubricants that were used during the manufacturing of that bike.

Do you realize that any living organism's activity is inherently damaging to it's environment and requires some other organisms activity to counter it? If there were no animals to convert oxygen to carbon dioxide by means of breathing then the level of oxygen would rise dangerously high, resulting in massive wildfires killing the very plants the produced it.

So, what exactly was the point? Perhaps you should enlighten me.

And btw, when I said "Following your logic the ultimate green solution would be to nuke the entire human population." I was using an extreme to make a point, the point that I spelled out right afterwards and which YOU clearly missed.

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