Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 10th May 2007 01:53 UTC, submitted by editingwhiz
Red Hat Red Hat announced a new client product, Red Hat Global Desktop, at its annual Red Hat Summit tradeshow in San Diego. This move is designed, in part, to compete with Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Desktop, which has achieved success in business desktop markets, and with Ubuntu 7.04, which will soon appear on Dell PCs. Some reporting about this can also be found at the company's magazine. Update: Elsewhere, talking security with Red Hat's Mark Cox.
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by segedunum on Thu 10th May 2007 22:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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But the fact of the matter is that Enterprise Linux distros, who are absolutely free to choose what will work best for them, are uniformly rejecting KDE in favor of Gnome.

Sigh........ No they're not - or at least many of their customers aren't (ask a few SLES customers about 9 and 10 ;-)). It's just that certain Linux vendors are flushing any chance they have of competing for the areas that Windows Server currently dominates in right down the toilet, mostly in the name of politics. I'm not too bothered that they want to do that. It's their funeral in the next few years I'm afraid.

Any Windows sys admin who sees the level of graphical management tools on those so called enterprise Linux distributions compared to what they're used to, and the hence infrastructure it's built on, at the moment is going to laugh them out of town. It's that simple. The fact that some people don't like that is just par for the course.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. And that's absolutely *all* I'm going to say on that matter.

Well, the so called enterprise Linux distros are putting an explosive substance in their pipes and are smoking it. Ultimately, they have nothing to compete against Windows Server and push back against it.

As I said, when you look at the level of technical infrastructure available, and the development infrastructure with which to build those tools that will really get people currently using Windows Server sitting up and taking notice then based on the evidence of what Novell and Red Hat have produced with their chosen environments - it ain't great competition.

Novell and Red Hat probably feel they can sit in their own niches of taking the low hanging fruit of people moving from older Unix systems. Bad, and probably fatal, mistake.

If you want a DE war, I'm not participating any further.

I'm not advocating a DE war at all. I'm advocating that people actually look at the technology out there every once in a while, look at the pretty good graphical management tools that Xandros are producing (probably the best around), look at the next best thing we've had which is YaST and then look at what Novell is now producing with their much vaunted new technology (i.e. nothing) and the measly showing Red Hat has after over ten years - then ask yourself why. Look at the applications as well.

If people are uncomfortable about that then sorry, but there you are.

Edited 2007-05-10 22:49

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by sbergman27 on Fri 11th May 2007 00:08 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
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Any Windows sys admin who sees the level of graphical management tools on those so called enterprise Linux distributions compared to what they're used to,

In this post, I perceive that you are saying that Windows 2003 server has better GUI admin tools than RHEL.

That may very well be true. Windows admins love their GUI admin tools and usually act like fish out of water when those are taken away from them. They tend to quit their jobs before they actually suffocate and die, though. ;-)

I'm sure that GUI admin utilities are a top priority for MS.

But writing good gui tools is about 95% dealing with (differences in) config files and about 5% handling the GUI. It hardly makes a difference whether you are using Gnome, GnuStep, or Tk.

I'd look elsewhere than the DE tools for the reasons that explain any disparities that might exist.

Edited 2007-05-11 00:14

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