Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 19:49 UTC
Mac OS X An Apple official on Monday said Sun's open-source file system would not be in the next version of the Mac operating system, contradicting statements made last week by Sun's chief executive. During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard. Instead, Leopard would use Apple's current hierarchical file system, called HFS+. The Apple file system was first introduced in 1998 in Mac OS 8.0.
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RE: HFS+
by nivanson on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:37 UTC in reply to "HFS+"
nivanson
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2006-07-13

Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...

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RE[2]: HFS+
by sbergman27 on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:56 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
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2005-07-24

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Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...
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I think they are in the same boat as the rest of us. Journalled metadata, 4 billion files per directory, 16TiB maximum file size, and 16TiB maximum volume size is plenty for most folks today. And orginzations who need more have other options.

But in a few years... we'll all need something.

Well, except for ZFS. Sun got tired of the bit size merry-go-round, and with its 128 bit allowances, should be good for another 150 years or so, assuming a doubling of requirements every 1.5 years.

I can't blame them, really.

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RE[2]: HFS+
by samad on Tue 12th Jun 2007 21:14 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
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2006-03-31

It doesn't have the sophistication of ZFS when it comes to pooling drives together. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettabyte_File_System#Storage_pools

ZFS is particularly important for people who deal with large files. Since a high percentage of computer graphic designers use Macs, ZFS is very beneficial. Also, Apple has attracted video editing professionals, and ZFS fits perfectly with this.

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RE[2]: HFS+
by kaiwai on Tue 12th Jun 2007 21:46 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
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2005-07-06

Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...


Its as broken as Fat32 was to Windows - it is incredibly precious, and speed wise, it is terrible when compared to ZFS - using it right now on my laptop. What ZFS offers not only brings it up to NTFS standards, but exceeds it in term so performance and reliability.

Now, HFS+ isn't going to be totally thrown out, they'll probably still keep using it for their iPod, but I don't seem them using it anything more than just that.

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v RE[3]: HFS+
by modmans2ndcoming on Tue 12th Jun 2007 22:00 in reply to "RE[2]: HFS+"
RE[3]: HFS+
by Windows Sucks on Tue 12th Jun 2007 22:55 in reply to "RE[2]: HFS+"
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2005-11-10

NTFS reliable? LOL! You must be kidding me.

HFS+ is fine for the default file system for the client. 99% of people out there dont and wont know what the heck ZFS is and what you can do with it.

For us %2 or so who do know can use ZFS on non bootable drives etc. And I am sure there will be better support for ZFS in Leopard server then in Leopard client.

I think it will be really good for large client file systems. (People who have a LOT of music, MP3's and have external drives) And it's good for large file systems for databases etc. But ZFS doesn't support quotas and a lot of file permission features you find in other file systems.

So on file servers it sucks. :-(

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