Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 13:44 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Federkiel writes: "People working with Apple computers are used to a very consistent user experience. For a large part this stems from the fact that the Lisa type of GUI does not have the fight between MDI and SDI. The question simply never arises, because the Lisa type of GUI does not offer the choice to create either of both; it's something different all along. I usually think of it as 'MDI on steroids unified with a window manager'. It virtually includes all benefits of a SDI and and the benefits of an MDI." Read on for how I feel about this age-old discussion.
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I hate the ribbon...
by moronikos on Sun 24th Jun 2007 17:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interfaces..."
moronikos
Member since:
2005-07-06

I used to know where things were on the menus, and some of those things aren't even present on the ribbons. Secondly, Microsoft really screwed over OLE integration with the ribbons. Used to be that there was menu merging when doing embedding. Now Microsoft doesn't support it--it has the ribbons instead. Plus the ribbon takes up more screen real estate.

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RE: I hate the ribbon...
by Kroc on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:00 in reply to "I hate the ribbon..."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

The ribbon _DOES NOT_ take up more screen real estate. In fact, it takes up less space for the same amount of total UI (i.e. turn on all the toolbars in Office2K3, the ribbon never gets taller).

Read this and get edumacated:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx

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RE[2]: I hate the ribbon...
by lproven on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:26 in reply to "RE: I hate the ribbon..."
lproven Member since:
2006-08-23

Oh, nonsense, man!

Surely anyone who has a clue about actually /using/ apps efficiently realises a few basic points:

[1] screen height is generally more important than width, especially in word processors, web browsers and so on

[2] screens are getting wider as both TFTs and movie viewing becomes more common

[3] for easy legibility, one should always set programs to zoom their contents to fit the window as a default

[4] therefore, it follows that the effective place to put your toolbars in Office, the taskbar in Windows and so on are down the left and right edges of the screen, not across the top. Leaving them across the top squanders precious depth, meaning you can see less of your document. Put them at the sides, then zoom the doc to fit width, and you get bigger fonts *and* more lines visible, both at once. Plus, lateral top-to-bottom toolbars once again benefit from Fitt - you just whack the mouse over to left or right.

Can you do that with Fluent? I think not. And I have tried.

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