Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 13:44 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Federkiel writes: "People working with Apple computers are used to a very consistent user experience. For a large part this stems from the fact that the Lisa type of GUI does not have the fight between MDI and SDI. The question simply never arises, because the Lisa type of GUI does not offer the choice to create either of both; it's something different all along. I usually think of it as 'MDI on steroids unified with a window manager'. It virtually includes all benefits of a SDI and and the benefits of an MDI." Read on for how I feel about this age-old discussion.
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The GUI that time forgot
by lproven on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:22 UTC
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2006-08-23

As I commented to TFA, I always experience mingled amusement/annoyance at reading these methodical argued "analyses" of GUIs where it seems clear that the author has only used 2: Windows and the Mac. There are many other ways; NextStep's cascading context menus from a fixed position, for instance.

But one I think should always be considered, as it shows a genuinely different model, is Acorn's RISC OS. No fixed menus at all; as the 1st commenter says, the easiest menu to hit is the one which requires you not to move the pointer /at all./ Other things RISC OS pioneered 20yr ago are OS-integrated global font anti-aliasing, solid window drag, the global taskbar - all now widely used - and drag-and-drop file open and close instead of file selectors with a mini-browser, which, alas, no-one else has adopted.

You cannot judge these things on a sample set of 2. Especially 2 which are actually quite similar.

If you want to judge GUIs, go out and master half a dozen different ones first. *Then* and only then can you make informed, educated comment.

The same goes for most things, of course, from word processors or operating systems to types of cheese or varieties of beer. Who would take a wine critic seriously who had only ever tasted 2 wines?

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RE: The GUI that time forgot
by helf on Sun 24th Jun 2007 19:03 in reply to "The GUI that time forgot"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

I can do pretty much all of that on my NeXT from 1991 too ;) It has fixed menus on the top, left hand side of the screen AND you can activate the same menus from anywhere on the screen with the right mouse button. It also does AA, full window dragging, etc etc... And its really fast and stable on a 33mhz 040 with 128mb of ram ;)

Heres a screen shot of my NeXT... WHich I'm probably selling, sadly :'(

http://helf.freeshell.org/NeXT-9-4-06.jpg

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RE[2]: The GUI that time forgot
by helf on Sun 24th Jun 2007 19:05 in reply to "RE: The GUI that time forgot"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

I also forgot to mention that the GUI on NeXT machines and on risc OS macihnes ( I used to have a RiscPC 700, loved it...) do what a GUI should do. They are intuitive, fast to get around in, and best of all, STAY OUT OF HTE FARKING WAY. I don't want shiny shit bouncing around everywhere. I want to work and not be annoyed ;)

great, now I'm talking myself out of selling my NeXT. poo ;) I need that money ;)

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RE[2]: The GUI that time forgot
by lproven on Sun 24th Jun 2007 19:20 in reply to "RE: The GUI that time forgot"
lproven Member since:
2006-08-23

Nice!

But for me, the idea of a context menu that you have to move over to seemed to be a bit... well, daft, frankly. If I summon a menu, I want it where I am now! If I have to go to a specific place, then why not just leave the menu always there, in a single cascading tree, like Nokia's Series 90 (Symbian) or Hildon (Maemo Linux) GUIs?

Alas, I have /very/ little NeXT experience. I've always wanted one, though. I'd happily buy yours, except that I am in the UK and you're probably not, and I can't afford to spend any more money on old computers while I have so many...

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