Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jul 2007 09:11 UTC, submitted by Tim Alson
Hardware, Embedded Systems Dell has taken the unusual step - for a PC vendor of its size - of toning down its sales pitch for Microsoft's Vista operating system and warning businesses of the migration challenges that lie ahead for them. The step is particularly unusual because one of the issues the hardware vendor is warning business about is the extra hardware they will need to buy.
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google_ninja
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2006-02-05

Is it the fault of Gnu if it is unable to support these devices!? Absolutely especially if they are given access to proper hardware specifications, and a real working relationship with the company involved. The reality is an awful lot of hardware seems to work better on Gnu despite this. Oddly you can buy everything 100% compatible products of *all* those devices *together* for less than the cost of vista home basic oem."


First of all, GNU has nothing at all to do with Linux drivers. Secondly, I wasn't arguing that Linux does not in fact solve all the worlds problems, or that vista is not in fact, the anti-christ.

What I was saying is that the Linux way is technologically very good, but it doesn't work well with commercial support. The reason there are not many closed source drivers in the Linux world is that, as I said, it is a support nightmare. A business would literally have to release a new driver every point release of the kernel. This is a non issue for OSS drivers, as they just get a recompile along with everything else.

Edited 2007-07-05 20:19

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cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"First of all, GNU has nothing at all to do with Linux drivers. Secondly, I wasn't arguing that Linux does not in fact solve all the worlds problems, or that vista is not in fact, the anti-christ. "

The only thing you can say is the "FSF" hasn't done a lot of code in GNU's kernel, and it hasn't. I am not talking about a kernel. I'm talking about the OS.

The only think you are arguing is that Vista's still being in beta, and having poor hardware support is excusable, which its not. You say its not the fault of Microsoft and *try* and use Gnu's kernel as an example of poor hardware support when Gnu has both excellent hardware support even with limited access to hardware; 70,000 employees, Billions in the bank...and lets face it being a Monopolistic OS.

You continue by perpetuating the lie that on Linux you have to *compile* stuff to get things working in the kernel, and you lie that common devices don't have support under Gnu.

Edited 2007-07-05 20:44

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

The only thing you can say is the "FSF" hasn't done a lot of code in GNU's kernel, and it hasn't. I am not talking about a kernel. I talking about an OS.


The GNU kernel is called Herd, and it has been in development for so long it has kind of become a joke. And you were talking about a kernel, because we were discussing Linux's driver model. For someone who is such a huge fan of Linux, you really need to get your facts straight.

The only think you are arguing is that Vista's still being in beta, and having poor hardware support is excusable, which its not. You say its not the fault of Microsoft and *try* and use Gnu's kernel as an example of poor hardware support when Gnu has both excellent hardware support even with limited access to hardware; 70,000 employees, Billions in the bank...and lets face it being a Monopolistic OS.


I didnt argue anything about Vista. I am not talking about vista. I am talking about using a HAL for everything as opposed to having drivers run in kernel space. I didn't say it had poor hardware support, I listed several common types of devices that linux devs have had trouble supporting through no fault of their own.

Please do a better job reading my posts before flaming me.

You continue by perpetuating the lie that on Linux you have to *compile* stuff to get things working in the kernel, and you lie that common devices don't have support under Gnu.


Binaries don't magically compile themselves, they have to come from somewhere. In the OSS world, the source is there so it is no problem, in the commercial world, that task is placed on individual vendors.

As for common devices, it is hard enough to reverse engineer hardware you dont have specs for. It is insanely hard when half the processing is done on the hardware, the other half is done with software which is embedded in the drivers, as is the case with the stuff I mentioned.

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