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SuSE, openSUSE OpenSUSE 10.3 alpha 7 is released. "Alpha7 is ready, after 5 rebuilds we're happy to say it looks good enough for the public. Important Changes Since Alpha6: Linux 2.6.22.1; gcc 4.2.1; libzypp 3.12.1; the package set of the CDs are heavily reshuffled and with it the patterns also affecting the DVD."
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So sad
by ml2mst on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:08 UTC
ml2mst
Member since:
2005-08-27

SuSE/SUSE and openSUSE has always been a great distribution, but unfortunately the Free Software community has lost its faith in Novell and all its "projects".

Yup, I'm part of the Free Software community and gave up on openSUSE, since the Microvell deal... Dead end :-(

An ex SuSE/SUSE openSUSE fan :`(

Sad, sad, sad...

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RE: So sad
by superstoned on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:22 in reply to "So sad"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Pity, they still contribute a lot to FOSS. And though Novell does stupid things (they have a great trackrecord in that regard, btw), the Suse PPL are still doing good stuff. Show them some support, they deserve it!

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RE: So sad
by IanSVT on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:23 in reply to "So sad"
IanSVT Member since:
2005-07-06

Have you given up on all the "projects" that Novell contributes to as well?

On topic 10.3, with the removal of ZMD as the default package manager, should increase initial views that were not great with 10.2 and CPU hungry ZMD modules. I'm looking forward to it.

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RE: So sad
by CapEnt on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:31 in reply to "So sad"
CapEnt Member since:
2005-12-18

The deal only affects the business line of Novell (SLES), it do not cover openSUSE. And even more: the agreement about SLES do not even talk about patents or anything like that.

Too bad that you loose your faith in openSUSE, it's a great project. If you want to go back, it is aways good to have a new member on the community.

A excellent FAQ about the issue on opensuse wiki:
http://en.opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS

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RE[2]: So sad
by sbergman27 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 13:17 in reply to "RE: So sad"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
A excellent FAQ about the issue on OpenSuse wiki:
http://en.opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS

"""

Yes. That FAQ is a real hoot. I love the way it defends Novell on the grounds that their strategy is (supposedly) based almost entirely on Linux. And totally avoids the issue of the 348 million dollar up front cash infusion from Microsoft for helping them to kill Linux. That's nearly 15% of Novell's entire market cap! So yeah, I guess you could say that their strategy is based on Linux.

Edited 2007-08-03 13:17

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RE: So sad
by flanque on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 10:03 in reply to "So sad"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

I find it odd that you put the openSUSE developers in the same basket as the business and legal decision makers at Novell. I think you'll find there to be more than one side at Novell in regards to the "Microsoft deal".

Edited 2007-08-03 10:04

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RE: So sad
by sbergman27 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 11:38 in reply to "So sad"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I must confess that SLES, SLED, OpenSuse, Linspire, and Xandros have all come off the list of distros that I would be willing to recommend to customers. (Not that any of them were ever high on my list, anyway.) Which still leaves plenty of other distros. Fedora, CentOS and Ubuntu being my favorites. Shunning Novell in favor of other entities which refuse to bend to Microsoft's PR requirements is, I believe, the right thing to do.

It's too bad about the OpenSuse guys, many of whom I am sure are OK. But why are they still aiding and abetting Novell?

I'd prefer to support companies and organizations which are doing things I can stand behind and believe in.

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RE[2]: So sad
by systyrant on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:50 in reply to "RE: So sad"
systyrant Member since:
2007-01-18

Not everybody feels the same way you do about Novell. However, I don't blame anybody for being upset with Novell over the Microsoft deal.

Leaving all religious feelings aside I'll have to say that SLED/openSuse has been really good distros in my opinion. However, I'm partial to Ubuntu at the moment.

I've never been a fan of Redhat/fedora. I've never had much success with fedora and Redhat, the company, has always rubbed me the wrong. Don't know why they just do.

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RE: So sad
by kaiwai on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:00 in reply to "So sad"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

What is so sad about the arrangement with Microsoft?

I've yet to hear one single coherent problem with it?

If I was Novell and wanted to 'take over the desktop' the first thing I would do is licence every bit of technology from Microsoft that I could, put it down on paper, and use the legal system if Microsoft fails to provide the necessary information for compatibility by virtue of not sticking to the contract.

The reality is that this is a Microsoft world, to beat Microsoft you need to be compatible with Microsoft.

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RE[2]: So sad
by sbergman27 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:27 in reply to "RE: So sad"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
If I was Novell and wanted to 'take over the desktop' the first thing I would do is licence every bit of technology from Microsoft that I could, put it down on paper, and use the legal system if Microsoft fails to provide the necessary information for compatibility by virtue of not sticking to the contract.
"""

And do you really think that Microsoft is going to let anyone be successful with that strategy?

And if any company was smart enough to pull it off, do you think that it would be Novell? Novell had the advantage, once upon a time, and they let it slip away. I don't see them making a comeback.

Although I'm pretty sure they'd sell their own mother if they thought they might pull one off.

You are correct that this is a Microsoft world. But one needs only look at the track record for cooperation/compatibility agreements in this industry to see where this one is going. Their agreement has about as much chance of producing compatibility as flour, baking powder, eggs, and oil have of producing an omelette.

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RE: So sad
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:18 in reply to "So sad"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I am still using openSUSE, in fact more than ever, because it is a rock solid OS, with all the software you might desire. From the many existing repos you'll have always the latest version of everything which matters most. And as it has already been said, I have the uppermost respect for the openSUSE developers, who have worked for so many years with endless patience and great professionalism.
My only real complaints are package management (which is going to be solved in 10.3) and that SUSE is a slow OS even on my very fast hardware.

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RE: So sad
by milles21 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:45 in reply to "So sad"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

The developers on opensuse are still a great bunch of guys, There is no reason to abandon opensuse because you disagree with a few business decisions made by Novell. Also there contributions are great for the entire community, the entire community benefits. If you want to talk about abandoning something then do so for the enterprise software.

However the community guys are the same guys that were providing great contributions before the deal and are the same guys that are providing great contribution after the deal. If someone in your family steals it does make the whole family thieves.

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