Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Aug 2007 22:10 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Linux It is not too surprising that Ubuntu came in first in DesktopLinux.com's 2007 Desktop Linux Market Survey, or that Firefox was the topmost browser by far. More interesting is that for the first time ever in the site's annual surveys, GNOME surpassed KDE among desktop environments (45% over 35%), with Xfce a solid third (8%).
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RE[3]: KDE/Gnome
by sbergman27 on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KDE/Gnome"
sbergman27
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2005-07-24

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Reality would say KDE is less bloated than Gnome, or equally so at worst. By sharing more functionality, you save memory and disc usage.

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Ivory tower, academic reality perhaps. I support business desktops. And in practical reality a business desktop needs Firefox in place of Konqueror, OpenOffice instead of Koffice, Thunderbird instead of Kmail. And often, IE under Crossover, too. The memory savings you refer to quickly get swallowed up by a sea of external libraries.

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RE[4]: KDE/Gnome
by earlycj5 on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 14:24 in reply to "RE[3]: KDE/Gnome"
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2007-04-12

No one makes you install KOffice with KDE or even KMail. I don't have either one installed on my OpenSUSE boxes. As for Konq vs. Firefox, you still have Nautilus on your Gnome system for file browsing and you still need Firefox, no? Thought so.

ThawkTH is exactly right, the beauty of FOSS is choice, no one is ramming anything down your throat unlike some other vendors.

Edited 2007-08-23 14:25

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RE[5]: KDE/Gnome
by sbergman27 on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 14:44 in reply to "RE[4]: KDE/Gnome"
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2005-07-24

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No one makes you install KOffice with KDE or even KMail. I don't have either one installed on my OpenSUSE boxes. As for Konq vs. Firefox, you still have Nautilus on your Gnome system for file browsing and you still need Firefox, no? Thought so.

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I'm not sure what you are getting at. The previous poster claimed that KDE was lighter due to having more "shared functionality". My position is that once you have a usable business desktop set up, with all the necessary apps in place, any advantages that pure KDE might have brought with it have been either reduced to irrelevance, or completely lost.

Anyway, to answer your question... I don't use Firefox under Gnome. I mentioned Firefox since it is what I have to install to make a KDE business desktop do everything required. Under Gnome, I would use Gnome's own browser, Epiphany, which is quite suitable for a business desktop.

By the way, I run XDMCP servers. So disk space does not concern me. Every installed program is shared by 50+ users. What I care about is memory footprint.

Edited 2007-08-23 14:44

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RE[4]: KDE/Gnome
by superstoned on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 14:47 in reply to "RE[3]: KDE/Gnome"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Even if you run these (btw desktop independent, thus ALWAYS waisting memory) apps, you are running a lot of KDE infrastructure which shares memory. So in practice, this works already. Yes, it will improve if KDE 4.1 will use webkit in konqi and ppl will ditch the monstrocity that is firefox. Hopefully the same goes for KOffice/OO.o

Either way, you are right, in practice the diff isn't huge. Yet it is unfair to call KDE bloathed, imho. It's actually pretty efficient, and most of it's inefficiencies are due to lower-level stuff, not KDE.

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