Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2007 14:02 UTC, submitted by tux68
Windows Microsoft has begun patching files on Windows XP and Vista without users' knowledge, even when the users have turned off auto-updates. Many companies require testing of patches before they are widely installed, and businesses in this situation are objecting to the stealth patching. "Normal behaviour," according to Microsoft.
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RE[2]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 14th Sep 2007 17:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones
Member since:
2005-10-02

Do you have any evidence or at least sources for that claim?

It runs counter to the explanation from Microsoft (and the complaints) and it runs counter to my experiences with Windows 2003 Server.

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RE[3]: Hmm...
by KenJackson on Fri 14th Sep 2007 18:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Hmm..."
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

Do you have any evidence or at least sources for that claim?

The article itself makes that claim:

The Automatic Updates dialog box in the Control Panel can be set to prevent updates from being installed automatically. However, with Microsoft's latest stealth move, updates to the WU executables seem to be installed regardless of the settings — without notifying users.

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RE[4]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 14th Sep 2007 19:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

It only says "seem". It has not been confirmed to be true for all four settings, and it is a fact that the WU-client cannot connect to WU-servers when running without Administrator rights.

I know from my experiences with my firewall that WU does not attempt to do anything when turned off. And I know that because my firewall freaks out when I run WU and forget to un-restrict WU ;)

Edited 2007-09-14 19:12 UTC

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RE[3]: Hmm...
by Crono on Fri 14th Sep 2007 23:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Hmm..."
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2006-11-08

I don't have evidence for the thing he discribed, but I set it to "Notify, but don't download or install".
Yesterday evening I booted Windows and two updates were shown: The one security update and that "tool to remove baad software" (no, I don't know the correct english names for that ;) ). I clicked on cancel since I wanted to do this later, after doing some work.

Half an hour later there was just ONE update left. Guess which one it was.

Okay, that's not really much "evidence" since you can't really prove that without making a video. Guess you just have to believe me here.

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RE[4]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Sat 15th Sep 2007 01:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

"tool to remove baad software"


Wooot O_o ??? You have an IE7-uninstaller!!1? ;)

Hmm.. I've had my own problems with the notification-thingy when manually launching Windows Update. The notification thing tend to conflict with the manual launch, so I'd need the output from Windows Update's list over installed updates and failed updates for your machine. HOWEVER: You MUST NOT give me that information. I'll haunt you in your nightmares if you do ;)

Launch Windows Update manually and check the list over succesful updates and failed updates and see if it shows something. Until then I can only conclude you had a problem with the notifier.

I have had conflicts with manual launch of WU and the notifier running, but I haven't experienced what you describe. But that malicious software thingy is probably selfinstalling ;)

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