Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Nov 2007 12:29 UTC, submitted by muzzle
Window Managers Rasterman, the lead developer of the Enlightenment project, speaks about the future of Enlightenment, including the project's focus on the embedded world (Rasterman works at OpenMoko now), the relationship with commercial vendors, reorganized leadership, and even some hints at an upcoming release. "The primary thing of importance is getting E17 out the door. It's actually looking petty good. Only 2 really big TODO items left. I'm doing a theme revamp. The Default theme has very much aged. The gold bling isn't incredibly popular. I'm working on something I think people will love - and it still shows off E. It will replace the current default - and will also knock off some of the comment the default theme so its better documented for people to build new themes from and learn Edje."
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RE[2]: Cool...
by madcrow on Tue 6th Nov 2007 18:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool..."
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2006-03-13

I'm not saying that it isn't good. It is. And I'm not saying that's it's not well-designed (it's VERY well designed). What I was saying is that the Linux desktop market simply isn't big enough to support a third major environment (I don't count XFCE as a major environment as it's GTK base and a few other factors mean it's essentially GNOME Lite) Just look at poor GNUstep. Despite it's advantages, it has a negligible userbase. If E17 wants to avoid this, it will focus on the "semi-embedded" sector (aka things like PDAs which are more or less general-purpose computers, but just really small) where the market is in more of a stater of flux than in the "full size" market.

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RE[3]: Cool...
by dude on Tue 6th Nov 2007 20:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Cool..."
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2007-09-27

this is one of those arguments that really boggles my mind. Honestly, this is the same argument as "we already have windows and OS X, linux should stick to servers". I always feel way too preachy when i say this, but open source is about choice. Just because KDE and Gnome are dominant, doesn't mean they are the right choices for every one. Some people see a lot of value in a low resource desktop that still looks beautiful, even if they use it on a 4 core processor. I really don't understand people's need to have a 2 party system all the time, especially in the open source world.

Edited 2007-11-06 20:36

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RE[4]: Cool...
by madcrow on Tue 6th Nov 2007 21:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Cool..."
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2006-03-13

I'm not saying that they shouldn't try. I was just saying that they will probably have limited success in the "full-size" desktop area. With that said, if I were designing an X-less GUI Linux, Enlightenment looks like it would be a good place to start. Since PDAs and the like need an X-less GUI, I also predicted that Enlightenment might well be more succsful in the handheld/palmtop/PDA market than in the "bid" system market.

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RE[3]: Cool...
by dbodner on Tue 6th Nov 2007 20:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Cool..."
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2007-07-01

don't count XFCE as a major environment as it's GTK base and a few other factors mean it's essentially GNOME Lite [/q]

Just because it's GTK-baed, I don't think it's "GNOME Lite" at all. Xfce has evolved into a full featured desktop environment, IMO, and had useful compositing before metacity IIRC. I find it's look and feel to be different than gnome, a look and feel that i myself prefer.

Since the release of 4.4, I've found Xfce's value to be more than just as a lightweight DE. I found it to be just as well designed and usable as well.

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RE[4]: Cool...
by Trenien on Wed 7th Nov 2007 05:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Cool..."
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2007-10-11

The first time I used XFCE was back with version 3.something. At that time I liked it quite a lot, although after a few months I ended up going back to Windowmaker.

I intended to try it out again once it'd made the switch to gtk - I thought it'd be nice overall.

Big mistake (with my expectations). There are differences, but overall, it _has_ shifted toward a Gnomish interface (upper and lower tool bar, anyone?).

It's not a total loss, though. Thunar is still my main file manager.

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RE[5]: Cool...
by dbodner on Wed 7th Nov 2007 12:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Cool..."
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2007-07-01

but overall, it _has_ shifted toward a Gnomish interface (upper and lower tool bar, anyone?).


Erm...so...change it?

I never understood why the default settings a Window Manager/DE would be a reason to turn someone off of it.

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RE[3]: Cool...
by sorpigal on Tue 6th Nov 2007 22:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Cool..."
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2005-11-02

I strongly disagree.

The OSS/Free "market" in many ways does not resemble a normal market. Size in a very real sense does not matter.

You don't have to focus one niche to be successful. You just have to do whatever it is you do well and you will (probably) become popular. Even when you are not popular you can have a long, rich and healthy life.

E17's strong theming ability is far ahead of anything I've seen elsewhere. This alone makes it a fun environment to work in... eye candy and bling without needing the compiz hack. Throwing some compositing and such on top is nice, but a system built with it by default is better.

I have no trouble believing that E will carve out a place for itself. Perhaps no significant portion of the formal "Desktop Market" can be attained, but that really doesn't matter. All of the apps will run just fine under E even if they were intended for GNOME or KDE.

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