Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Nov 2007 17:33 UTC, submitted by WillM
In the News One year after sealing their surprise alliance, Novell and Microsoft have announced an expansion of their technical collaboration to 'link together the existing Windows and Linux frameworks'. The firms will extend their existing collaboration to focus on virtualisation, standards-based management, directory and identity federation and document format compatibility. As part of this process, Microsoft said that both companies are 'now working closely' at the Microsoft and Novell Interoperability Lab in Massachusetts.
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RE[3]: Good for Novell!
by cyclops on Thu 8th Nov 2007 19:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good for Novell!"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

"You keep your moral high ground, I would rather get work done.

If this partnership helps me do that, I'm all for it"

Why is being moral, and getting work done mutually exclusive. I have yet to see any *benefits* to Linux from this partnership, I actually see Linux being threated by Microsoft *weekly*. I can only see possible short term benefits to Novell, at the expense of Linux as a whole.

Although its about defending Novells and Microsoft's corrupt actions by calling everyone fan boys or 16-year olds or religious whatsisnames. When its about Microsoft Making unsubstantiated threated against *ME* personally.

Of course if you *really* want to talk interoperability which I think is what you mean. Why doesn't Microsoft *release* their specifications years ago, at the request of the EU no less, rather than delay for years.

Is there anything new here? GPL3 blah blah blah

Edited 2007-11-08 19:25

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RE[4]: Good for Novell!
by Adurbe on Thu 8th Nov 2007 20:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for Novell!"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

don't get me wrong MS opening up their formats would be the ideal solution! However, going by history, this is sadly unlikely to happen.

with regards to the threats, we do not know if they ARE unsubstantiated and this is where the FUD comes into play. What needs to happen is for someone to call their bluff.

The trouble with this is if it turns out they are NOT unsubstantiated then linux in the business world would crumble overnight. I also have no doubt that if it looked like the case was going against Microsoft there would be an 'out of court settlement' so the judgment was never passed, thereby allowing the FUD to continue..

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RE[5]: Good for Novell!
by cyclops on Thu 8th Nov 2007 21:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Good for Novell!"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"with regards to the threats, we do not know if they ARE unsubstantiated and this is where the FUD comes into play. What needs to happen is for someone to call their bluff.

The trouble with this is if it turns out they are NOT unsubstantiated then linux in the business world would crumble overnight."

They are unsubstantiated...until they produce anything thats the point. What is interesting is that I can remember a time when there was a awful lot of other Os's around and Office applications. Microsoft is *very* late to the game Thats ignoring a whole host of things like API's or even networking. Microsoft has more to lose than *anyone*, its gonna make computers unusable. I personally cannot wait for the patent wars to start.

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RE[5]: Good for Novell!
by glarepate on Mon 12th Nov 2007 19:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Good for Novell!"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

with regards to the threats, we do not know if they ARE unsubstantiated and this is where the FUD comes into play. What needs to happen is for someone to call their bluff.

If these threats are not unsubstantiated then list the patented functionalities that are being infringed.

(cricket_chirp.ogg)

OK then.

Until this is done there is no substantiation that there is any infringement, only empty claims and implicit threats over those unsupported claims. MS Legal has publicly said that it is not feasible to list these "infringements". If that is the case then how are these claims substantiated? How are they ever going to be substantiated? And how valuable are patents that aren't worth listing?

The call has gone out from open source advocates to list these patents and the infringed functionality. So far no valid response has been provided. So, do we kick MS out of the game for not laying down their cards now that the bluff they are running has been called? If so, how?

Are you sure they are playing the game that you think they are?

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