Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Nov 2007 19:49 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Erstwhile bitter rivals Dell and Sun Microsystems are set to announce that Sun's Solaris and OpenSolaris operating systems will be supported in all of Dell's servers. Dell founder and CEO Michael Dell and Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz plan to make the announcement during a joint appearance at the Oracle OpenWorld 2007 conference today.
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RE: Strange move
by SEJeff on Thu 15th Nov 2007 06:04 UTC in reply to "Strange move"
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Nephelim... have you *ever* managed sun servers versus the competition like IBM eseries, HP DL3xx, or Dell servers?

Sun's ILOMs (Integrated Lights Out Management) beats anything on the market hands down. Is the server dead? So what, ssh into the ILOM, restart the server and then connect to the Serial console... done.

Sun servers are more efficient, better designed, and easier to manage than equivalent Dell servers. How do I know? Because we manage thousands of them and have replaced all IBM servers in production with Sun x4xx series. Nothing compares to Sun servers for remote management.

If anyone disagrees, please explain.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by Nephelim on Thu 15th Nov 2007 08:19 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
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SEJeff, my comments talked about a distant future (at least, medium term one), not any short term issue. I've managed some Sun servers, though I suppose than not as many as you do. And yes, I like them a lot, and yes, I agree with you in their quality and integration. May be that my poor English skills make it more difficult for me to express the things I really want to state ... sorry about that, I suppose it'll improve with the time.

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RE[3]: Strange move
by SEJeff on Thu 15th Nov 2007 22:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Strange move"
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Oh ok sorry about that. It just pisses me off when people talk about things they don't actually know about.

Sometimes I come off as harse. It has to do with being very opinionated.

You are right.

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RE[2]: Strange move
by akro on Thu 15th Nov 2007 15:35 in reply to "RE: Strange move"
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Yeah ILO on the HP Proliant beats that. Not only can I do SSH but I can web into the box ad bring up a full Graphical Console. I can remote mount media from my workstation across the country and boot the dead powered off box with that media with no touch what so ever. The latest inegrity boxes also have ILO functionality. This is all integrated into the motherboards now. I know many customer that have zero touch data centers. Even new installs get done by HP they plug the ILO in and the customer remote build everything from there.

Blades become even easier because I can configure a ton of stuff for all the blades in the enclosure so adding blades is literaly just plug and play.

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RE[3]: Strange move
by SEJeff on Thu 15th Nov 2007 22:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Strange move"
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Sun ILOMS have the exact same thing... From the webgui in the UK, I can mount an iso image of a disk on my local workstation (in the US) and then use that to install some crazy OS that doesn't support automation such as kickstart.

Blades are fragile and break too much. Leave a set of blades running with 2+ years uptime. Then reboot them. About 1 out of 10 won't come back up. Blades have their purpose, but it isn't anything I've worked on yet.

My last job (a delta owned Airline, Comair)... we almost exclusively used HP Proliant DL360 (G1-G4) and DL585 servers for Intel based hardware. They aren't bad, but the Sun ILOM is still better.

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