Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Nov 2007 21:16 UTC, submitted by Wyatt Lyon Preul
.NET (dotGNU too) Scott Guthrie has announced that Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5 are now available for download and provides a tour of some of the new features. "Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5 contain a ton of new functionality and improvements. Below are links to blog posts I've done myself as well as links to videos you can watch to learn more about it."
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RE[2]: MSDNAA
by Almafeta on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:00 UTC in reply to "RE: MSDNAA"
Almafeta
Member since:
2007-02-22

I disagree; of all of the IDEs I've used (VS2005, Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ) Visual Studio is the worst. To me it feels like it's years old, every "new" feature people are excited about in VS2008, Java IDE's have had them for quite some time.


Yes, but then you have to deal with the fact that you're writing in Java.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by StaubSaugerNZ on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:26 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
StaubSaugerNZ Member since:
2007-07-13

> Yes, but then you have to deal with the fact that you're writing in Java.

I'm curious about what's so bad about Java? (since C# is much more similar to it than to many other languages and several of the core C# libraries obviously originate from the days when Microsoft had a Java.

Sure checked exceptions and such are a PITA, but it sure beats being hogtied to a single platform (sure it's got 90% desktops, but only ~50% servers, which is where the real consultancy money is). I hate .NET's Hungarian notation (the 'I' in front of every interface has a heritage back to FORTRAN dontyaknow) at least as much as you hate checked exceptions, but at least I can see why you might like .NET without feeling the need to imply it sux completely.

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RE[4]: MSDNAA
by google_ninja on Tue 20th Nov 2007 03:56 in reply to "RE[3]: MSDNAA"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

IMHO java is a good language, but C# is a better one, mostly because having come later, it had the advantage of learning from javas mistakes.

They are really ~90% the same thing.

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RE[4]: MSDNAA
by christianhgross on Tue 20th Nov 2007 12:19 in reply to "RE[3]: MSDNAA"
christianhgross Member since:
2005-11-15

Java the language is garbage!

When Java the language came out it was good, yes it was. Now in 2007 it is garbage! Here are some case in points

1) Generics and erasure (yes it will be fixed in an upcoming release, but why do it in the first place.)
2) Just recently the idea of boxing, and unboxing came to Java
3) Java getters and setters are silly.
4) Still have not fixed the fragile base class problem
... and the list goes on...

C# fixed many of these things and then some. I am not saying that Java, and its environment is bad. On the contrary it is good. But Java the language is showing its age in a major way. Java should have included more Groovy or Scala features a long time ago. Java needs a desparate overhaul.

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RE[3]: MSDNAA
by andyleung on Tue 20th Nov 2007 02:27 in reply to "RE[2]: MSDNAA"
andyleung Member since:
2006-03-24

Yeah, I rather have the IDE crashing than the server crashing. My favorite .NET story is that my .NET teacher said how amazing .NET platform and stable it is, in a second the projector originally showing VS.NET 2003 turned into blue screen of death. After 5 attempts running Hello World app finally got it running but then in 5 seconds the app crashed the school development server...lovely VS.NET IDE/Server, you like this? God bless you.

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RE[4]: MSDNAA
by twitter on Tue 20th Nov 2007 03:03 in reply to "RE[3]: MSDNAA"
twitter Member since:
2005-07-25

Since it's impossible for something written in .NET to cause a bluescreen, I'd recommend checking the drivers in that "server" instead of regirgitating "LOLZORZ BLUESCREAN" tripe that no one believes anymore since 1999.

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