Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE[2]: Give it some time
by miles on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Give it some time"
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People are not happy when they have a hardware they spent money for and it won't work anymore.

Surely you can't blame Ubuntu or Linux for that!

Wacom tablets have a very good open source driver, and it worked in Feisty. The problem with Gutsy and Wacom tablets is definitely an Ubuntu choice.

There was also the whole usb_suspend fiaso in Feisty, which saw many scanners not working anymore, just because *ONE* dev (you know who you are) decided to enable a feature that was considered unstable by Linux kernel devs. When one person decides that it's ok to mess people's office for the sake of experimenting possible small battery improvements for laptops, then something is quite wrong (Mark was aware of the problem, but decided it was ok not to do anything about it, and it didn't show up in the release notes). Then Gutsy went back to a sane configuration.

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RE[3]: Give it some time
by cyrilleberger on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Give it some time"
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You got me on that one ;) My Wacom tablet wasn't working in Feisty, and is working on Gutsy. In fact, because of my tablet not working in Feisty, I try some other distribution, with no luck. Until I found out that there was a bug in Wacom support in kernel from 2.6.19 to 2.6.21.

And I am afraid those kind of regression are going to keep happening, and you can't blame distributions for those regressions. The linux kernel is moving too fast, I do think that they should go back to the previous development model, with a stable branch with driver improvement and bug fixes, and an unstable branch with all the subsystem changes.

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RE[4]: Give it some time
by miles on Wed 5th Dec 2007 09:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Give it some time"
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You can't blame distributions for those regressions

Yes you can in these both cases, because :
- the wacom problem in Gutsy is that someone commented out wacom configuration in xorg.conf, so you have to manually edit the file to remove the comments. If your wacom system wasn't working in feisty but is working in gutsy, it's either because you upgraded, or because you got a serial one (or a tablet PC, since these function like serial tablets);
- the usb_suspend fiasco was due to a deliberate choice from Ubuntu, even though kernel developers warned about the code not being ready for inclusion in the kernel (but the Ubuntu dev went out and included it). You seem to have misunderstood : that code was NOT included in the kernel, it was in an experimental branch.

I only picked out case that were :
- the fault of the distribution ;
- deliberate choices instead of errors.

In these case the developers knew exactly what they were doing and decided it was ok to play and mess up with user's setup.

You can find other numerous regression when it is indeed the fault of Ubuntu, some are unintentional, some are. Saying that it's the fault of hardware makers or of the linux kernel moving too fast is often used as a way to hide their shortcomings, which is not a courageous choice, nor is it going to improve things.

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