Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:01 UTC, submitted by irbis
Internet & Networking "The web is constantly evolving. New and innovative websites are being created every day, pushing the boundaries of HTML in every direction. HTML 4 has been around for nearly a decade now, and publishers seeking new techniques to provide enhanced functionality are being held back by the constraints of the language and browsers. To give authors more flexibility and interoperability, and enable more interactive and exciting websites and applications, HTML 5 introduces and enhances a wide range of features including form controls, APIs, multimedia, structure, and semantics."
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Great news...
by UZ64 on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:47 UTC
UZ64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Flash's over-use (come on, sites actually require this crap?) and bugginess (especially in Linux... don't know how many times it ate all my memory trying to watch a video on IGN, or was prevented from scrolling with my mouse wheel) has really been getting on my nerves for a while now. Audio/video support directly within the browser through html using cross-platform codecs sounds like a blessing at this point. Hopefully eventually this leads to most sites ditching Flash for video in favor of the more "native" method, leading to less (if not none) Flash dependence, fewer bugs, better use of resources, and more universally-viewable sites across different OSes/devices. Browsing Web sites would be a much more pleasant experience. My only question... why didn't this happen a long time ago?

RE: Great news...
by bm3719 on Tue 4th Dec 2007 22:05 in reply to "Great news..."
bm3719 Member since:
2006-05-30

Another sad thing is all the bandwidth being wasted by useless flash banners, ads, "splash" pages, page headers, and Myspace widgets.

Sure, every now and then, it's ok for something like Google Video. But this is not the norm by far. Apparently companies like throwing away money on web designer click-monkeys. There's also hidden costs too, of course. If your entire site content is embedded in flash, you'll have to pay consultant fees to fix a misspelled word or update the employee list everytime someone quits. Thank g-d for flashblock, is all I have to say.

Actually, I'd rather noone used any colors at all on their sites so I could just set the default background and font color to my liking. Only a patheticly small amount of the web is actual content. The rest is useless garbage and fluff. Layout != content. Even this site is full of crap.

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RE[2]: Great news...
by testman on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:26 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

"Another sad thing is all the bandwidth being wasted by useless flash banners, ads, "splash" pages, page headers, and Myspace widgets."

It's called "advertising". It pays for all the free stuff you like to complain about!

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RE[2]: Great news...
by edmnc on Wed 5th Dec 2007 12:07 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
edmnc Member since:
2006-02-21

"Actually, I'd rather noone used any colors at all on their sites so I could just set the default background and font color to my liking."

Install http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ and click Disable > Disable Page Colors

I'm sure you'll find pretty fast that its a silly idea.

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RE[2]: Great news...
by KenJackson on Wed 5th Dec 2007 18:31 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

Another sad thing is all the bandwidth being wasted by useless flash banners, ads, "splash" pages, page headers, and Myspace widgets.

Right! I know it's advertising and freedom, etc., and I would never support any mandatory restrictions from any source. But really really hate noisy web pages. And I'm really really grateful to the guys that came up with Adblock.

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RE: Great news...
by hobgoblin on Tue 4th Dec 2007 22:16 in reply to "Great news..."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

quick guess on that last question: IE6...

yes, its nice to see that those media tags go in, but i worry about the should (not must) when it comes to ogg format.

i fear that we will still see pages (mostly the big media corp backed ones) that use stuff like wmv or something else that they can drm overload, with no ogg or other open format anywhere in sight.

still, i really hope that google goes html5+ogg on their googlevideo and youtube...

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RE[2]: Great news...
by testman on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:22 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

Why use OGG when a Flash-based format works on EVERY machine, and WMV works on the majority? Seems pointless to adopt an obsure format when there are better ones out there with mass-adoption already.

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RE[2]: Great news...
by sigzero on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:37 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
sigzero Member since:
2006-01-03

Ogg? What the hell is that? Sorry, it just isn't going to happen.

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RE[2]: Great news...
by unavowed on Wed 5th Dec 2007 14:42 in reply to "RE: Great news..."
unavowed Member since:
2006-03-23

You don't need html5 to view ogg media. It's doable today, if your browser has an appropriate plugin, or even using just java, as demonstrated at http://www.flumotion.com/en/textos.php?id=22

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RE[2]: Great news...
by Drawnstories_studios on Wed 5th Dec 2007 18:47 in reply to "Great news..."
Drawnstories_studios Member since:
2005-12-12

the reason people use flash is because it protects content from being stolen. And no one has bothered to hack it because in the end what would you get? a crap quality mpg? a 92kbps .wav? just go bit torrent at that rate. So in many ways Hollywood (music & film) are shooting them selves in the foot by trying to keep everything so covered up because it only encourages people to pirate.

they're the reason why most sites like youtube use flash.

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