Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Feb 2008 12:08 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core "Paul Frields is new to Red Hat, but he's not new to the Fedora Linux community. Frields became the Fedora project leader and a Red Hat employee at the beginning of February. Previously Frields was a US government employee and a contributor to the Fedora community for more than four years. Frields takes over at a pivotal time for Fedora as it gears up for its next major release, Fedora 9. A feature freeze is currently set for March 4, and Frields is already ready to chat about where Fedora is heading."
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Fedora
by linuxdude on Fri 29th Feb 2008 15:03 UTC
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2008-02-26

I hope fedora gets it. I am using ubuntu and NEVER had a single problem with my hardware (asus a7n266vm)

Every feodra release I had lockups right in the boot itself. Feodra 8 lockup up in starting udev/usb(?something i dont recall).

Also I dont like their default themes (bluecurve?).

Couldnt change the mac address of LAN card due to some security issues in feodra.

Although I had setup a mail server for a company on fedora 4 long time back and it was great.

Its a good option for people, but they need to get on the cooler side and win the techie crowd if they want to regain the old glory of redhat.

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RE: Fedora
by Rahul on Fri 29th Feb 2008 15:18 in reply to "Fedora"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Have you ever filed bug reports? These problems aren't going to get fixed unless reported and tracked by developers

Default theme has been changed from BlueCurve long back. You might want to try a recent release of Fedora.

Edited 2008-02-29 15:19 UTC

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RE: Fedora
by Bitterman on Fri 29th Feb 2008 17:11 in reply to "Fedora"
Bitterman Member since:
2005-07-06

Alot of people seem to have had the exact opposite experience. Many had severe issues with ubuntu's last release (packman hard drive, my network card (intel 3945abg) on my toshiba not recognized). Please try to be informative and list specific issues or links to bug reports so people take you seriously and not just scoff it off as another fan boy trying to put down the other distro. I'm not the only one cautious of these posts.

Fedora isn't bug free by any stretch but I'd just like to know the bugs you supposedly came across are valid or fixed.

Fedora is by far the most innovative distro out there so you'd expect bugs but its surprisingly stable for the most part. The issues i had tend to be with yum cause ALOT of rapid dev has been going on here so things are in a constant state of flux. but it appears the foundation is set now and the changes will be mostly incremental from here on out cutting the bugs down hopefully. (whats up with yum updatesd!)everythings locked all the time we all disable it.

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RE[2]: Fedora
by TechGeek on Fri 29th Feb 2008 19:24 in reply to "RE: Fedora"
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2006-01-14

I think the main problem with Yum updates is the fact that its not multithreaded. I could be wrong as I am not a big coder but it acts like it is a single thread (including the Gui) getting hung up waiting for stuff to download. The cli version works like a charm.

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RE: Fedora
by arokh on Sat 1st Mar 2008 14:20 in reply to "Fedora"
arokh Member since:
2008-01-29

You hope Fedora "gets it"?

You do realize that any such bug that you are describing would relate to either the kernel itself, or a patch for the kernel that Fedora has added?

There is also bugs in the Ubuntu kernel that is non-existant on the Fedora kernel. Does that mean Ubuntu also needs to "get it"?

The Fedora kernels are bleeding edge and uses the latest vanilla kernels coupled with tons of bugfixes by Redhat and others. If the bug that solves your problem is upstream it will be in the latest Fedora kernel. If not, you should report this bug so that someone can make it upstream. Or it will never get fixed.

In any case, you can't possibly judge the whole Fedora distrubution by this one issue that doesn't work for you.

I realize not all users are very tech savvie, but for heaven's sake, at least try the distribution on some different hardware and get it booted up before you make your verdict... Sheesh...

Edited 2008-03-01 14:21 UTC

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RE: Fedora
by gilboa on Sat 1st Mar 2008 23:35 in reply to "Fedora"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

I hope fedora gets it.


Gets... what?


I am using ubuntu and NEVER had a single problem with my hardware (asus a7n266vm)
Every feodra release I had lockups right in the boot itself. Feodra 8 lockup up in starting udev/usb(?something i dont recall).


While I am happy the you seem to have found a suitable distribution that works on your hardware without any issues, I should point out that unless you take the time to report this problem, it will not get fixed.
Far worse, Fedora might be using some new(er) patch/fix/update/etc that doesn't agree with your hardware and this patch/etc might just find its way to next version/update of Ubuntu, making it just as unstable as Fedora is. (on your hardware)

In short, I'd suggest you file a bug report.

Also I dont like their default themes (bluecurve?).


Bluecurve was replaced -looooong- ago.
Never the less, look-and-feel is customizable. Dismissing a distribution simply because you don't like it's default theme is, well, weird. (at least in my view)
For the record, I'm using a (heavily) customized KDE desktop on all my Fedora (and some RHEL/CentOS) machines.

[quote]Couldnt change the mac address of LAN card due to some security issues in feodra.[/quote]

Again, how, when, where, but report?
For the record, I'm using "customized" MAC addresses on a fairly large number of machines.

[quote]Although I had setup a mail server for a company on fedora 4 long time back and it was great.[/quote]

I'd think twice before setting up a production server using Fedora. Fedora is bleeding edge and has a fairly short (13 month) support cycle.
I'd use RHEL (or CentOS if I don't have a budget) instead.

Its a good option for people, but they need to get on the cooler side and win the techie crowd if they want to regain the old glory of redhat.


Cooler side?
I was under the impression that most people consider Fedora far-too-technical and nerd-oriented.
Other then that, your comment is -far- too general. What exactly do -you- consider cool? Are you certain that these "techies" (what-ever that means) share the same need for "coolness" as you?

- Gilboa

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RE[2]: Fedora
by sbergman27 on Sun 2nd Mar 2008 01:27 in reply to "RE: Fedora"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'd think twice before setting up a production server using Fedora. Fedora is bleeding edge and has a fairly short (13 month) support cycle.
I'd use RHEL (or CentOS if I don't have a budget) instead.


Fedora actually does a pretty reasonable job of maintaining stability, considering the *absolutely huge* patch volume they push through the updates channel. (About 1000 update packages per month!) I run production servers on both Fedora and CentOS, depending upon which makes more sense for the situation. Sometimes, one actually ends up sufferring with a bug for much *longer* with RHEL/CentOS than with Fedora. On a RHEL 4.x system, fuser -n is broken, and has been for years:

[root@farpoint ~]# fuser -n tcp 22
here: 22
22/tcp: 3606

[root@farpoint ~]# fuser -n tcp 222
here: 222

I reported it a long time ago. The decided not to fix it. I don't mean that they just ignored my report. They actually decided deliberately *not* to fix it. I guess they felt that fixing it would be too destabilizing.

Presumably, it's fixed in 5.0/5.1. But I'm not sure.

It has worked for a long time in Fedora.

On the other hand, I have had more Fedora bugs which get reported and then ignored than with RHEL.

All in all, I'm moving more toward Fedora for production. It's a mixed bag, either way. And at least with Fedora software, and the bugs, are shiny and new. ;-)

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