Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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RE: Kubuntus fault
by Manuma on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 01:27 UTC in reply to "Kubuntus fault"
Manuma
Member since:
2005-07-28

This is why KDE users should give up and stop whining about Kubuntu and use Mandrake or SUSE.

I've never seen a GNOME user complaining about the shitty suppor of Mandrake towards GNOME.

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RE[2]: Kubuntus fault
by _txf_ on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 02:15 in reply to "RE: Kubuntus fault"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Unfortunately kubuntu is one of the few high quality deb based KDE distros around (I should give sidux a go tho). I kinda dislike rpms but I hate openSUSEs packaging system everytime I try it I have to add external repos just to get things like non crippled ktorrent.

Inevitably the sheer amount of external repos leads to loads of packaging conficts. The dialog box that pop's up is just plain hideous. Not to mention zypper and yast are damn slow.

With mandriva I couldn't find 64 bit downloads without getting the dvd image...sigh...

Other than that I would say that SUSE and Mandriva are more polished than Kubuntu, but the packaging issue is a deal breaker for me.

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RE[3]: Kubuntus fault
by sbergman27 on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 02:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Kubuntus fault"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

FWIW, you actually have another *buntu option. Install regular Ubuntu. And then instead of installing Kubuntu-desktop, install kde-base instead. (Or is it KDE desktop? Well, it's some kde metapackage that isn't kubuntu-desktop.) I know that some people prefer that. Last I tested, there was a *dramatic* difference in memory consumption and performance on lower memory machines. And, like I say, some people simply prefer it to going the Kubuntu route. I'm writing this from my Fedora 8 Gnome desktop. But I don't blame you for wanting to stick with apt. Package management under Fedora is excellent. But it's really hard to beat the polish of apt.

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RE[3]: Kubuntus fault
by elsewhere on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 05:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Kubuntus fault"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Inevitably the sheer amount of external repos leads to loads of packaging conficts. The dialog box that pop's up is just plain hideous. Not to mention zypper and yast are damn slow.


Sheer amount? There's one external repo now, since the previous two merged into one as of 10.3. Anything else you could want is likely available in the build-service, which compiles packages against the various core versions of openSUSE, and automatically recompiles when a dependent package changes, specifically to bypass potential dependency issues. It is, frankly, a superior way of managing packages that the other distros are only starting to implement themselves. The only way to run into dependency issues is by mixing repos from different versions of openSUSE (which, sadly, people do), and the same thing will happen on any distro, dep or rpm. If you do happen to run into a dependency issue, it's a bug with the packaging that should be reported to the developers, as with any distro, deb or rpm.

If you want to complain about the the performance of Yast/zypper, that's fair enough, since even the devs have acknowledged it and reworked the backend for 11.0 specifically for (significant) performance improvements, but is it possible to have a discussion about deb vs rpm without falling into the long-extinct "dependency hell" issues? If you run into dependency issues on a modern system, it's a packaging error, and it's not like Ubuntu hasn't had similar issues with their hastily repackaged Debian debs in the past.

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RE[2]: Kubuntus fault
by elsewhere on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 05:03 in reply to "RE: Kubuntus fault"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

I've never seen a GNOME user complaining about the shitty suppor of Mandrake towards GNOME.


I never saw Mandrake pledge support for GNOME, and promise to make it a "first-class citizen", as Shuttleworth did for KDE. But of course that move followed the debacle over Novell maybe-or-maybe-not dropping KDE, and since they did an about face on that, he simply forgot about it. It's all about the marketing and generating blog points.

But I do agree with your point. Use the distro that has the best-implementation of the desktop you prefer. Riddell is an extremely talented and high-profile KDE dev, but there's only so much he can do for Ubuntu as a one-man team. If Ubuntu won't invest in KDE, then people should just move on, or make the effort to contribute themselves. Same holds true for distros that may not focus on Gnome, many other alternatives exist. Choice is a wonderful thing.

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RE[3]: Kubuntus fault
by _txf_ on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 06:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Kubuntus fault"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Yup kubuntu is second class in the ubuntu world. I wish it were different, but what is interesting is that some estimates point at 30% of *ubuntu users are kubuntu users, which is a larger userbase than many kde dedicated distros.

There are alternatives that are better out of the box like Mandriva and openSUSE but we still stick with kubuntu even whilst we're abused by lack of support.

I wonder what makes us stick to kubuntu? is it cos of the ubuntu kool-aid? or is it because kde users generally are more advanced, hence more able fix problems?

For me personally, is that I guess I like debian but can't be bothered with it (bad I know) and ubuntu tweaked kernels usually work better for me. Another part I guess is a similar familiarity that keeps driving me back even when differences in distro workflow are negligible.

Would canonical bother if all kubuntu users mass migrated to other distributions?

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