Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 22:40 UTC
Windows Microsoft will shutter its Windows XP line June 30, as planned, ceasing sales of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home to retailers and direct OEMs, Microsoft confirmed to eWEEK April 3. The statement from Redmond executives ends weeks of speculation that Microsoft would extend the life of the operating system as users turn up their nose at Vista, the operating system meant to supplant XP, and OEMs argue lighter versions of desktops and notebooks don't have the juice to run Vista.
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Vista is the future
by ronaldst on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:27 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

Let's face it: Vista is a great OS. Inexpensive, available and well supported. Great hardware support (you can have it your way).

For developers, Vista is the best platform out there. Plenty of documentation and the best tools available.

Vista is another evolutionary step for the Windows OS line.

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RE: Vista is the future
by autumnlover on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:52 in reply to "Vista is the future"
autumnlover Member since:
2007-04-12

you can't be serious, right ?

I do not like Linux too, but having to choose between Vista and Linux I will probably choose to ... no. I will choose to dust off my retail copy of Windows ME.

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RE[2]: Vista is the future
by ronaldst on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:47 in reply to "RE: Vista is the future"
ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

you can't be serious, right ? I do not like Linux too, but having to choose between Vista and Linux I will probably choose to ... no. I will choose to dust off my retail copy of Windows ME.

How can I not be serious?

Check out the competition. If you choose Apple then you're stuck with restricted hardware configurations. Want a desktop quad core Intel CPU? Or an AMD processor? Too bad. If you choose Linux then you're on your own. A lot of people give up on setting an home page on Konqueror.

Do yourself a favour and try Vista. You'll find that most of the arguments against Vista are mostly hot air. Just because the angry mob at OSNews feels that anything labeled Microsoft is bad, doesn't mean that in reality it is.

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RE[2]: Vista is the future
by Darkelve on Fri 4th Apr 2008 06:37 in reply to "RE: Vista is the future"
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2006-02-06

Maybe Mac OSX is an option for you?

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RE[2]: Vista is the future
by polaris20 on Fri 4th Apr 2008 14:12 in reply to "RE: Vista is the future"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

you can't be serious, right ?

I do not like Linux too, but having to choose between Vista and Linux I will probably choose to ... no. I will choose to dust off my retail copy of Windows ME.


While I can't say I agree with the person you quoted, choosing to "dust off my retail copy of Windows Me" is an even crazier statement to make. Me was an abomination, and anyone that thinks Vista is worse hasn't even used it. Had you used it, you'd see it's far more stable, just as stable (in my experience) as XP. Yes, it is slower. I won't debate that (though it runs just fine for me).

But saying Me is better is laughable.

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v RE: Vista is the future
by Phloptical on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:08 in reply to "Vista is the future"
RE: Vista is the future
by MordEth on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:32 in reply to "Vista is the future"
MordEth Member since:
2006-07-16

You've got to be trolling, right?

If you're actually serious, I suggest you take a look at Mac OS X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Leopard), which actually comes with free professional developer tools (included on the install DVD), access to superior APIs like Core Animation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Animation) and Core Image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Image), and far more extensive documentation (http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/) than anything I've seen out of Microsoft in the 15+ years I've had to deal with Windows.

If you believe Microsoft is developer-friendly, I think you should read http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/, with regards to their "standards". I'm particularly fond of how Excel, Powerpoint, and Word implement completely different methods of doing something as trivial as setting font color or alignment.

Don't succumb to the Ballmer monkey dance! ;)

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RE[2]: Vista is the future
by google_ninja on Fri 4th Apr 2008 02:04 in reply to "RE: Vista is the future"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

You can't be serious...

I could go on and on about the archaic state of the apple developer story, but rory is a much better writer then me, and he already did it here http://www.neopoleon.com/home/blogs/neo/archive/2008/03/17/29941.as...

Objective-C and Cocoa are remnants of NeXTStep - the dev platform for Steve Jobs's NeXT computer. You can see the history in the Cocoa framework - classes are preceded by the "NS" prefix which, you guessed it, stands for "NeXTStep".

It's like looking at the coder's version of cave drawings. This stuff is ancient.

OS X devs love to go on about how awesome Objective-C and Cocoa are, but these are people who've obviously spent very little time exploring what else is out there. Very little advancement has been made in the platform over the years. Christ, they just got garbage-collection. There was previously a reference-counting implementation that was so bloody simple that you couldn't write a single block of code without wondering why they didn't just go one more step and handle it for you. It made no sense, and the offense was another matter of principle. I hated having to do this crappy drudgework that every other truly modern dev platform had left behind.


If you think obj-c and xcode are good try something... ANYTHING else.

Edited 2008-04-04 02:07 UTC

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RE: Vista is the future
by Darkelve on Fri 4th Apr 2008 06:35 in reply to "Vista is the future"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Are you being ironic?

Whether yes or no, don't you think 'revolutionary' is a better word? :p
(me, I 'm being ironic here...)

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RE: Vista is the future
by SilentStorm on Fri 4th Apr 2008 10:42 in reply to "Vista is the future"
SilentStorm Member since:
2006-09-22

Dude,

1st of April has passed... it's 4th now... Wake up.

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