Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 15th Apr 2008 20:07 UTC, submitted by Moochman
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris "Sun's Ian Murdock gave a presentation about OpenSolaris at LugRadio Live this past weekend. He hopes to expose open source enthusiasts to unique Sun technologies by creating a cohesive distribution that will provide a complete environment that is adequate for day-to-day use. This will involve bringing together the Solaris operating system and a diverse assortment of open source community projects and "adding a package management system to hold all these pieces together," Murdock stated. The final release will take place in May and the distribution will adhere to a six-month release cycle, just like Fedora and Ubuntu."
Thread beginning with comment 309812
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
OpenSolaris
by vermaden on Wed 16th Apr 2008 06:44 UTC
vermaden
Member since:
2006-11-18

OpenSolaris developers made a long way in the good direction polishing rather old Solaris "base system", but old tools remained old, like grep and find that FunkyELF mentioned.

Currently (Open)Solaris does not even support virtual consoles (!), so if you are in Gnome, you can not just CTRL ALT F1 and do something in terminal, you have to kill whole x11 and then GDM will restart, so if you did not disbled it also earlier you will end again with a graphical login. And if x11 will hang, you have to hard reset ...

About OpenSolaris package management (pkg.opensolaris.org), can be called as a alhpa solution at most currently, it offers a very small amount of packages, not even telling WMs like openbox or fluxbox, they are just gone. Compare that 18000+ avialable packages from FreeBSD Ports or Debian APT and you will feel the difference.

They have A LOT of work to do, and I am sure that we will not have finished product as 2008.05 releases, but there are chances that 2008.11 will be more polished and complete.

Reply Score: 6

RE: OpenSolaris
by Dubhthach on Wed 16th Apr 2008 08:58 in reply to "OpenSolaris"
Dubhthach Member since:
2006-01-12

OpenSolaris developers made a long way in the good direction polishing rather old Solaris "base system", but old tools remained old, like grep and find that FunkyELF mentioned.


Solaris believes in backward compatability, so they ship a whole range of "core utils" usually the first thing most people do is to change their default path generally to something like this:

PATH=/usr/bin/xpg6/bin:/usr/bin/xpg4/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/uc b/bin

This will give you behaviour that's compliant with POSIX.1-2001 and SUSv3 (Unix 2003)

In Opensolaris there is now a /usr/gnu/bin folder so you could change your path to include that as first default location.

If for example you were some commercial company running a piece of software that was 17-18years old (last release) and had been built for a SysVR4 system then you could change your path to just:
PATH=/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/bin

This path supports a system that is SVID3 (SVR4) and XPG3 compliant.

It's all well explained at the following link:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/companion-discuss/2006-April/...

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[2]: OpenSolaris
by vermaden on Wed 16th Apr 2008 12:19 in reply to "RE: OpenSolaris"
vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

Solaris believes in backward compatability, so they ship a whole range of "core utils" usually the first thing most people do is to change their default path generally to something like this:

PATH=/usr/bin/xpg6/bin:/usr/bin/xpg4/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/uc b/bin


That is very good attitude, FreeBSD is also going this way, and that is one of these things that Linux does not have (and for looong time will not have).

Sun wants to make OpenSolaris as a UNIX's Ubuntu, so it would just be nice to make good defaults.

It's all well explained at the following link:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/companion-discuss/2006-April/...


Thanks you for link, reading it now ...

Reply Parent Score: 4

RE: OpenSolaris
by Weeman on Wed 16th Apr 2008 10:28 in reply to "OpenSolaris"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20


About OpenSolaris package management (pkg.opensolaris.org), can be called as a alhpa solution at most currently, it offers a very small amount of packages, not even telling WMs like openbox or fluxbox, they are just gone. Compare that 18000+ avialable packages from FreeBSD Ports or Debian APT and you will feel the difference.

You define the quality of a packaging system based on the amount of available packages?

They have A LOT of work to do, and I am sure that we will not have finished product as 2008.05 releases, but there are chances that 2008.11 will be more polished and complete.

2008.05 will be finished as in having the infrastructure delivered (new installer, ZFS boot, beadm, pkg). That release is considered beta, and I think 2008.11 might be, too.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[2]: OpenSolaris
by vermaden on Wed 16th Apr 2008 11:40 in reply to "RE: OpenSolaris"
vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

You define the quality of a packaging system based on the amount of available packages?

Of course not, but it even does not work correctly (Preview 2), searching is useless, its better to grep pkg.opensolaris.org for package you seek, also all these prefixes are little useless, almost all packages has SUNW prefix, what for? For example SUNWgnome-disk-analyzer. I would understand such naming if SUNW will be Solaris core or "base system" packages, but this is Gnome, there is no Sun in it.

Also about count, package management is usefull when you can add all software that you need, package management is useless if you cant add many of your day to day work apps, so currently pkg on OpenSolaris IS useless, but we will see how it will look like in the end of May this year.

It would be even better to put NetBSD's pkgsrc.org here instead of that pseudo apt-get like pkg management currently.

PS

My attitude to (Open)Solaris can be taken as offensive, but do not take it that way, I prefer Solaris to Linux for example, but there are many places where (Open)Solaris needs to catchup comparing to FreeBSD or Linux.

It will just tak time, but it is crusial to spend this time on good sollutions.

Chech ALSA and PulseAudio from Linux, they add more layers instead of doing what should be done. OSS is now open source and its avialable on all major open source licenses, GPL2, BSD, CDDL, it offers similar functionality to Pulseaudio and its MILLION LIGHT YEARS better then ALSA, great API, cross platform, well documentaed, and the most important, works without any workarounds, just works, a things that ALSA can only dream about, but Linux devs go deeper and deeper into that shit, well, its their time actually ...

Reply Parent Score: 4

RE: OpenSolaris
by mmu_man on Wed 16th Apr 2008 12:08 in reply to "OpenSolaris"
mmu_man Member since:
2006-09-30

Stop-A boot RET
oops, no that's not a virtual console ;)

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE: OpenSolaris
by dindin on Wed 16th Apr 2008 14:24 in reply to "OpenSolaris"
dindin Member since:
2006-03-29

Well, they will have VirtualBox which FreeBSD does not. I am using qemu+kqemu on Beastie but would love a VTx/VMX based solution like VirtualBox or KVM.

Reply Parent Score: 2