Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th Apr 2008 08:21 UTC, submitted by Jason Slack
In October 2006, Hans Reiser, creator of the ReiserFS filesystem, was arrested under the suspicion of the murder of his wife, Nina, who had disappeared off the face of the earth after dropping their two children off at Hans' home. The two were divorced, and fighting a legal battle over ownership of the Namesys company and the custody of their children. Even though the body was never found, he has been declared guilty of first degree murder.
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RE[6]: On Capital Punishment
by sorpigal on Fri 2nd May 2008 11:54
in reply to "RE[5]: On Capital Punishment"
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I humor people who quote the bible and treat the 'evidence' they find therein as reasonable, because it is a widely accepted view that what is found in the bible is the word of god. Other texts less well established that purport to be the word of god do not get a pass from me. Sorry, but there are only so many sources I am willing to pretend are authoritative for the sake of argument.
"There's no way to disprove a belief.
Do you wish to revise this statement? "
No. If I insist the world is flat, for example, because that is my belief, then no evidence you can supply will sway me. You can't disprove someone's faith, because it is by nature not based on reason. You can disprove evidence for it, but few people seriously base their religious views on provable facts, figures and events. Almost all go by belief.
I will rephrase your words. Yes, the Bible can be misused by those with ill intent, without sound reason, and not well informed. The holy Spirit is the best way (best basis) for obtaining truth, especially moral truth.
Aside from some terminology issues I find that I can agree with this.
To return somewhat to the topic: though I am anti-christian and anti-church I find everything admirable in Jesus' views on morality and the law. Views which, I will note, are a far cry from *** law outlined in the old testament. Either god changed his mind or, perhaps more likely, Jesus hijacked the religion for his own ends.
RE[7]: On Capital Punishment
by charliee on Sat 3rd May 2008 01:23
in reply to "RE[6]: On Capital Punishment"
Member since:2008-03-24
I humor people who quote the bible and treat the 'evidence' they find therein as reasonable, because it is a widely accepted view that what is found in the bible is the word of god.
Do you regularly reject testimonials of life after death too?
Sorry, but there are only so many sources I am willing to pretend are authoritative for the sake of argument.
Are you familiar with Josephus the historian and his work?
No. If I insist the world is flat, for example, because that is my belief, then no evidence you can supply will sway me.
I will disagree with an example. As a child someone asked me in school if I was scared of a butterfly. I said no, and then the other kid clapped his hands before my eyes and I blinked thereby showing by his childish humor that I was indeed scared of a butterfly. Once a person is presented with sufficient evidence for a belief there comes an inevitablity that they cannot disbelieve. In the example, I believed that my eyes were about to have contact with another object therefore I blinked. If I believed that my eyes were safe then I would not have blinked. Therefore the evidence of the clapping of the hands caused the inevitabilty of the belief that my eyes were not safe which resulted in eye blinking.
You can't disprove someone's faith, because it is by nature not based on reason.
I will used the word, "belief" in place of, "faith" in the following argument. Belief is based upon evidence as shown in the example above. Whether the belief can be disproved will depend on establishing the evidence as being true or false. In cases that involve likelyhood, or in other words, cases that use circumstational evidence to form a belief, inductive logic is used to arrive at a conclusion and this is also called reasoning. Now I will restate your above sentence into something in which you probably meant to type but that is logically coherent: 'You can't disprove to someone their faith who willfully ignores evidence that their faith is false. Such a person is being unreasonable.'
...perhaps more likely, Jesus hijacked the religion for his own ends.
Historical note: The Jews of the time were expecting a military Messiah to save them from their overseers and to setup a kingdom. Furthermore there are Old Testament references, as you may already know, of the expected Messiah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_prophecies_of_Jesus
Mark 2:21(see also Matt. 9:17; Luke 5:37-38)
No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
I will offer an interpretation of Mark 2:21 keeping in mind the theory that the *** religion was hijacked. The teachings(new cloth) that the Lord gave could not be established within *** customs, tradition, or meticulous observance of what some people interpreted the law to be which would cause conflict or confusion. Also note that the Lord picked and ordained men(to the priesthood) not from the ruling classes of the day but more common folk. You may also remember the part when the Lord was asked by the chief priests where he got his authority.
Matthew 21:23-27
And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
I say John's baptism was from heaven. And John testified of Jesus who said that Jesus was mightier than himself who was given more authority than John which is to baptise with the Holy Ghost and with fire (Matthew 3). This authority was not hijacked from heaven or the ruling classes of men of the day.
Also note in Matthew chapter 3 the "wrath" and "unquenchable fire" to come as a supporting view of an unchangeable God between the old and new testaments as your doubt lingers over the nature of God as mentioned in the Book of Revelations.
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Note that Doctrine and Covenants is not a translated work.
Doctrine & Covenants 29:15-21
And there shall be weeping and wailing among the hosts of men;
And there shall be a great hailstorm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth.
And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not.
Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them;
And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;
And it shall come to pass that the beasts of the forest and the fowls of the air shall devour them up.
And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.
D&C 38:12
...the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
D&C 63:32,34
I, the Lord, am angry with the wicked; I am holding my Spirit from the inhabitants of the earth.
And the saints also shall hardly escape…
Enoch 47:2 (apocrypha)
[in the last days people]...with united voice petition...that for them he[the Lord] would execute judgment; and that his patience may not endure for ever.
D&C 133:50-51(revelation recieved November 3, 1831)
And his voice shall be heard: I have trodden the wine-press alone, and have brought judgment upon all people; and none were with me;
And I have trampled them in my fury, and I did tread upon them in mine anger, and their blood have I sprinkled upon my garments, and stained all my raiment; for this was the day of vengeance which was in my heart.
There is more text not in the Bible that is consistent with vengeful and wrathful God as pertaining to a yet future day. Not sure about jealous though. Excluding the New Testament there are additional texts showing the same character of God in LDS scriptures and the Apocrypha.
Do you wish to revise this statement?
I will rephrase your words. Yes, the Bible can be misused by those with ill intent, without sound reason, and not well informed. The holy Spirit is the best way (best basis) for obtaining truth, especially moral truth.