Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th May 2008 17:40 UTC
Windows Last week, we reported on a peculiar price difference in Australia between the Linux and Windows versions of the Asus Eee PC 900, the new model in the Eee line. The Windows model was 50 USD cheaper than the Linux model - the Linux model did have a bigger hard drive, but interestingly, the version with the smaller hard drive was not available as a Linux machine. This gave rise to speculation that Microsoft had been putting pressure on Asus to favour Windows XP over Linux. It appears Microsoft's assault in this segment of the market goes deeper than just Asus and the Eee alone.
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"Assault?"
by gonzo on Mon 12th May 2008 17:50 UTC
gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

Also called "competition," and there's nothing wrong with it.

RE: "Assault?"
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 12th May 2008 17:52 in reply to ""Assault?""
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Also called "competition," and there's nothing wrong with it.


Is assault an inherently negative term or something?

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by gonzo on Mon 12th May 2008 18:03 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

I'd say so (especially in the context of the whole story - pressure on Asus, etc). But hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited 2008-05-12 18:07 UTC

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by Morgan on Tue 13th May 2008 05:30 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Is assault an inherently negative term or something?


I can't think of a positive connotation. In law enforcement, my field of expertise, assault is most definitely a bad thing to do to someone, as it lands you a night or more in jail. Other uses of the word include acts of war, verbal harassment (verbal assault), intimidation tactics, and generally giving someone a bad day.

Yeah, I'd say it's a pretty negative concept.

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RE: "Assault?"
by rajj on Mon 12th May 2008 18:52 in reply to ""Assault?""
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2005-07-06

This would be price discrimination which would actually make it anti-competitive.

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by gonzo on Mon 12th May 2008 23:09 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
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2005-11-10

I agree: if Microsoft is not allowed to set the price of its product to fight the competition, then it is anti-competitive.

Edited 2008-05-12 23:10 UTC

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RE: "Assault?"
by iserlohn on Mon 12th May 2008 18:55 in reply to ""Assault?""
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2006-02-24

A free market only works when there is something called choice. There is reason for antitrust regulation and it is to promote consumer choice.

I know people cringe at hearing the word regulation, but sometimes, regulation is an necessary evil. As someone much wiser said, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. So who's going to enforce that?

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by sbergman27 on Mon 12th May 2008 19:00 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So who's going to enforce that?

Not the US. We're more concerned about countering terrorism these days. DOJ et. al. vs MS was all pre-WTC. Maybe the new administration will care. Meanwhile, Neelie Kroes is this atheist's God.

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by tomcat on Wed 14th May 2008 01:41 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
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2006-01-06

A free market only works when there is something called choice. There is reason for antitrust regulation and it is to promote consumer choice.


Asus is the customer. It has already demonstrated that it has a choice between Windows XP and Linux. So, really, the notion that there's an antitrust issue here is ridiculous.

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RE: "Assault?"
by SlackerJack on Mon 12th May 2008 18:58 in reply to ""Assault?""
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Let me put you right there, what you meant to say was 'Fair competition', I'd agree but since when did the words fair, Microsoft and competition ever be in the same sentence.

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RE: "Assault?"
by elsewhere on Tue 13th May 2008 04:08 in reply to ""Assault?""
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Also called "competition," and there's nothing wrong with it.


Also called "predatory pricing", and there is something wrong with it.

But I won't cry "anti-trust" or anything like that. In fact, it's amusing to see Microsoft do this. It's not often that you see MS willingly undermine the value in their own products, considering they go to such great lengths to protect the perception.

Microsoft has acknowledged desktop linux as a viable alternative to Windows. They would not be dropping the license price if they felt that they could justify the value otherwise. Even if they're limiting that recognition to a narrow market niche, it's still a wonderful validation for all the work that the OSS community has done for desktop linux. They deserve credit for that.

Ghandi's famous quote is often abused now in OSS, but still utterly relevant:

"First they laugh at you,
Then they ignore you,
Then they fight you,
And then you win."

So it seems...

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by IvoLimmen on Tue 13th May 2008 05:58 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
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2005-07-06

I completely agree with you. First I thought that this would not be good for Linux as people tend to buy the cheapest machine there is. Even a Linux user would consider buying a cheaper version and simply install Linux on it, filling Microsoft pockets (eventhough it's a very small Microsoft tax).
Eventually Microsoft will loose the battle as nothing is as cheap as free.
With Linux (and other open source operating systems) becoming more user friendly and more generally available (as pre-installed OS on new machines) people will eventually turn to a operating system that is free.

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RE[2]: "Assault?"
by google_ninja on Wed 14th May 2008 01:50 in reply to "RE: "Assault?""
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Thanks for making one of the few non-stupid comments so far.

The only thing I would argue about is

But I won't cry "anti-trust" or anything like that. In fact, it's amusing to see Microsoft do this. It's not often that you see MS willingly undermine the value in their own products, considering they go to such great lengths to protect the perception.


This may not be their current strategy NOW, but it is the one they used to gain market dominance in the first place. Apple was telling companies that they should do business on 10k USD machines, and MS was offering a "good enough" solution for a fraction of the cost.

It was only relatively recently in the conquest of the server room that they started talking about quality, ease of use, and TCO, because what they were up against often cost half as much (or free), and they really had no other choice.

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