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Windows So far, Microsoft has been very tight-lipped about Windows 7, carefully trying to prevent another Longhorn PR disaster where the company promised the heavens and more for Longhorn, but in the end ditched Longhorn to make way for Vista. Chris Flores (Windows Client Communications Team) as well as Steven Sinofsky, has broken the silence a little bit to talk about Windows 7. In addition, it is believed Windows 7 will make its first official debut at the D6 All Things Digital conference today, during a keynote held by Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates.
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RE[4]: Another Missed Opportunity
by phoehne on Tue 27th May 2008 20:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Another Missed Opportunity"
phoehne
Member since:
2006-08-26

Actually real time behaviors are becoming important for things outside the traditional RTOS. For example, it's can be used in simulations and games to make for a more responsive, more realistic experience. In the financial community soft real time behaviors are becoming part of trading systems. In addition, as embedded systems just become more like little (SoC) versions of desktop systems, a stripped down desktop version of the O/S is nice to use because it simplifies development. I just pointed out real time scheduling as one thing the standard Windows kernel lacks that's available in a number of other kernels. For example, both Linux and Solaris come with real time schedulers (not just a special RTLinux).

But I don't see your connection between the OS that's in your cash register and your desktop OS and why you'd have to upgrade your cash register or your business processes if you upgrade your desktop. For example, say your cash register runs Windows CE, or your service station pump head runs Windows XP embedded, it has nothing to do with your desktop OS. What's more, if you do build a medical imager with Windows XP embedded, you probably will not ever upgrade it to Windows Vista, anyway. You don't need to keep the entire kernel the same to provide for backwards compatibility. As many people have pointed out, you can run the legacy Windows version in a virtual machine. That gives you the freedom to build a solid, next generation kernel while satisfying your user needs to run old code. Their current strategy ties them to old code while constraining their ability to modernize their key product.

There are two ways of looking at the present Windows situation. The first is the odd/even phenomena. Windows 3.1 - successful. Windows 3.5.1 Not so. Windows NT 4 - successful. Windows 2000 not so. Windows XP successful. Windows Vista not so. That may mean they get all their ducks in a row and Windows 7 continues the pattern by being successful. The pessimists (of which I am a part) look and see real issues with where Windows is and where it's headed. Microsoft could turn into the GM of operating systems, producing generations of mediocre products, slowly loosing just a little bit of market share every year. That kind of slow grind to mediocrity will be very expensive for end users.

Edited 2008-05-27 20:26 UTC

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stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

besides missing a few no name windows editions like 95, 98, 98-2nd and ME your odd/even theory just may be true.

if they work on the 2008 kernel then 7 should turn out to be a great OS. whether it's worth paying money for is another story, but 2008 ran better for me as a vm on vista ultimate than vista itself.

personally I would much prefer to see a x64 only edition which came with vm of a vista x86 basic edition.

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Hae-Yu Member since:
2006-01-12

But I don't see your connection between the OS that's in your cash register and your desktop OS and why you'd have to upgrade your cash register or your business processes if you upgrade your desktop.

Your overall point is true, but you're missing a few things. All these systems run on conventional, if modified desktop OSes. I was surpirsed to see a Wal-Mart register reboot with Windows. Working Air Traffic, most run Windows. A few years ago, I programmed LMR radios. These used a regular laptop with a serial port and 16-bit DOS app to reprogram the radios. We could get around the DOS mode, but more importantly, serial ports became harder to find and serial-USB adapters don't always work out depending on the app. Our paging system was the same way. Once manufacturer EoL was reached, we would have to upgrade the rack of paging servers to a whole new system or make our own systems if something failed. Making our own was cheaper, but not always possible.

For many businesses, esp small technical ones, it gets hard to keep up with the technological pace. You spend thousands of dollars on test equipment and the PCs used to interface/ manage them are past EoL. Then the current PCs need modding or you have to buy all new test equipment. Schools and small businesses are always cash strapped.

Many enterprises use in-house apps. If the OS changes, then the business has to either rewrite the app or not upgrade their system.

Virtualization is not a panacea as users of OS X Classic Mode know well enough. Windows does pretty good supporting 16-bit apps, but it's not all roses there either.

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