Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 29th May 2008 17:04 UTC
KDE Tuesday, we reported that the KDE project had released the first beta of KDE 4.1, the release that is supposed to be ready to replace KDE3 on normal users' desktops. The information and marketing speak in the press release sure was promising, so Ars decided to take the KDE 4.1 beta out for a spin.
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try it out again?
by stabbyjones on Fri 30th May 2008 00:36 UTC
stabbyjones
Member since:
2008-04-15

seems like kde is a touchy subject here.

4.1 looks really interesting and i haven't used kde on a desktop in at least 6 years. Given that i'm sure a lot has changed, (plasma is very intriguing.) maybe now is the time to try it out again.

it would at least put me in a better position to critique gnome.

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RE: try it out again?
by lemur2 on Fri 30th May 2008 04:12 in reply to "try it out again?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

seems like kde is a touchy subject here.

4.1 looks really interesting and i haven't used kde on a desktop in at least 6 years. Given that i'm sure a lot has changed, (plasma is very intriguing.) maybe now is the time to try it out again.

it would at least put me in a better position to critique gnome.


Novel is managing slowly to get Microsoft hooks into GNOME via Mono and Moonlight. There are a number of GNOME desktop applications such as Beagle search, Tomboy notes, FSpot, Muine which are written in Mono, and hence have Mono dependencies.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454

The aim would appear to be eventual control over distribution.

Meanwhile, Adobe is opening up the specifications for Flash, and Gnash has reached enough functionality to be more useable on a Linux machine than is Adobe's own player.

Other interesting points to note are that: (1) KDE and Qt are licensed under GPL v3, and (2) KDE 4 (and all of its applications) can run under Windows and become an alternative to Microsoft's desktop.

So it looks as if at least a part of the Linux desktop ecosystem will escape proprietary encumbrances going forward, and competition against Windows will continue.

Hence there is automatically a number of "KDE is rubbish, KDE is ugly" comments posted against every KDE report there is ... often posted by people who have not even tried KDE for themselves.

... do the maths for yourself.

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RE[2]: try it out again?
by sbergman27 on Fri 30th May 2008 04:40 in reply to "RE: try it out again?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The aim would appear to be eventual control over distribution.
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Hence there is automatically a number of "KDE is rubbish, KDE is ugly" comments posted against every KDE report there is ...

Lemur, sometimes a rose is just a rose. Conspiracy theories just make us look silly and diminish our credibility. Some people like KDE. Some people do not. Some don't care. You can't pigeon-hole those who criticize KDE the way you are trying to do and still retain trust.

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RE[2]: try it out again?
by stabbyjones on Fri 30th May 2008 04:59 in reply to "RE: try it out again?"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

that's a really interesting article. legalese confuses the hell out of me though.

do you think that they are trying to create a higher dependency on moonlight in GNOME? I'm not using anything with mono dependencies right now but would this be a push to try and reduce the use of GPL toolkits in GNOME?

Just from the article I'd be rather use QT or GTK+ over mono just for Microsoft being in the licence.

As far as it affecting my use of KDE or GNOME in the short term, I'm going to play around with 4.1 and see how much better it is from last time.

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RE[2]: try it out again?
by slight on Fri 30th May 2008 09:37 in reply to "RE: try it out again?"
slight Member since:
2006-09-10

I'm no huge fan of Mono, but you are aware that Gnome doesn't depend on Mono aren't you? There are Gnome apps, which don't ship with the Gnome core distribution, that use Mono, but they're not part of Gnome.

Edited 2008-05-30 09:41 UTC

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