Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Jun 2008 21:46 UTC
KDE KDE 4.1, which is supposed to become the KDE4 version usable by 'normal' people, is coming at the end of July. When Ars reviewed the beta release, they were positive in that it was moving forward at an "extraordinary pace". Despite the positive notions in the news, many seem to have problems actually seeing all the new stuff being done in KDE4 - just like how people fail to see the massive amount of work put into Vista. KDE developer Rafael Fernandez Lopez (I'm sorry for the lack of diacritical marks, an OSNews bug we're working on) decided to put together a screencast showing off all the new stuff coming in KDE 4.1.
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Screen estate
by J.R. on Mon 2nd Jun 2008 06:36 UTC
J.R.
Member since:
2007-07-25

...so after all the complaints from the community about the lack of screen estate, Mr.Seigo decided to throw in some more stuff just to make it all worse? Like the desktop toolbox: people complaining? Lets add another one to the panel! Or why use the desktop for what its for: files...lets add a widget that is just floating there and covering the desktop for the files.

I really have been patient, but the obvious innovation does not necessarily mean good innovation; there is no shame in sticking to well proven concepts...or at least let the users choose to use the new and improved look OR the old and well proven look. The "we know best" attitude was what made pidgin fork, and this may as well happen to KDE if the foundation (or should I say a selected few key persons) keep ignoring what the users want by saying "usability tests shows that this is better and you suck" or "I am the boss and you are just users"...but at this rate I believe it soon would be easier to just start all over again.

Many might find all of this exciting, and I agree that as a research platform it IS exciting, but as a day to day desktop environment, KDE is dead to me. While waiting for KDE4 I have been trying to use Gnome instead, and now that KDE4 is here I see no reason for going back. That is a rather lame end to 9 years of KDE usage for me. It is really disapointing...but hey...I am just the user so f--k me right?

Edited 2008-06-02 06:39 UTC

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RE: Screen estate
by Knuckles on Mon 2nd Jun 2008 08:47 in reply to "Screen estate"
Knuckles Member since:
2005-06-29

For starters, when you lock the widgets the button on the panel goes away (and I think the locked is the normal state, as I guess you don't resize and reposition widgets every day).

As for the icons, the plan is to make it possible for them to cover the desktop (because the whole desktop can be just one widget/plasmoid), but it's not there yet, and unfortunately might not be for 4.1.

I for one always wanted to have several groups of icons on the desktop that grouped together and didn't mix, so for me this feature is very cool.

Finally, come on, what is kde4? Is it just plasma? Kwin? If you don't like plasma or kwin, nobody's stopping you from using gnome-* or xfce-* or whatever replacements of those utilities, and use other kde4 apps all the same. You even have the gtk-qt4 engine if you want all of them to use qt, or the qgtkstyle if you want all of them to use gtk, so what's there to complain?

I for one use the apps I like on any of my computers, be it under gnome or kde4 or kde3.

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RE: Screen estate
by lemur2 on Mon 2nd Jun 2008 09:21 in reply to "Screen estate"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Or why use the desktop for what its for: files


You have to be kidding.

The Windows-only IT staff at work spend a good deal of their time beseeching people: "don't put your files on the desktop".

Your post and others on this thread sound just like a series of made-up rants to me.

Honestly.

For example ... if for example you don't like the KDE 4.1 menu, you can always just replace it with the same style of menu as was used in KDE 3.

Soon enough, other options will also become available ... such as Tasty Menu for example:
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=41866&file...

... or if you prefer, Raptor menu:
http://www.raptor-menu.org/
http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/10/raptor-join-fun.html

... or Lancelot menu:
http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/lancelot-wraca-do-gry.so

Whatever floats your boat.

There will be a lot more options by the time KDE 4.1 is released. If you don't like the default menu ... use one you do like.

or at least let the users choose to use the new and improved look OR the old and well proven look


Well exactly !!!

KDE lets you do exactly that. Sheesh!

Select the old menu style in, choose a "retro KDE 3 look" theme, and away you go ... you would get the underlying improvements to the KDE core with very nearly the same look and feel as before.

Plasma is not KDE 4 ... and even if it were, Plasma is very configurable.

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RE[2]: Screen estate
by dagw on Mon 2nd Jun 2008 12:13 in reply to "RE: Screen estate"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Or why use the desktop for what its for: files
"
You have to be kidding.

The Windows-only IT staff at work spend a good deal of their time beseeching people: "don't put your files on the desktop".
"
Any particular reason or is it just some pet peeve?
I personally think the desktop is a great place to dump files and do so all the time. Just because it doesn't fit into your way of working doesn't make it bad, and trying to make everybody work the way you work will just piss people off.

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RE: Screen estate
by _txf_ on Mon 2nd Jun 2008 09:58 in reply to "Screen estate"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

You're moaning about screen real estate and you're using gnome?

You know that you could set the Folderview applet as a containment and have your desktop classic style if you so desire.

For those of us that like our desktops nicely compartmentalised it is actually quite useful as I can have different areas using different folders instead of the "old" way of doing it by dumping all your crap in the desktop folder.

People keep moaning how their desktop is being contaminated by chunky desktop widgets...blah,blah,blah... IT IS ALL OPTIONAL

Those that seem to have such a personal relationship with their desktop environments "KDE is dead to me" always seem take it as personal insult when something isn't exactly to their liking. GET USED TO IT. No desktop will ever be 100% to your preference...ever.

The best one can do it to make allowances in terms of configs and default options to please as many people as possible. For the rest create as many options as possible in a sane way.

What can't be seen in those videos is that this is only the current state of plasma. It is designed in a way to enable maximum flexibility on the desktop. What is available now is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure in the future we'll see the many different ways that plasma scales, but for now this is it.

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